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Anonymous wrote at 3/15/2010 11:59:36 PMI think it's slightly disingenuous to claim that you were significantly more accurate than Bracketology 101 based on the 'correct region' score. First of all, they only had one more correct region than you for three extra points. They also had two more correct seeds and only one less correct team, so how exactly were you significantly more accurate, again? In the bracket matrix you beat them by a mere two points, so I'm not sure where that claim is coming from. Additionally, what you didn't mention is that while B101 was #1 in correct regions with 11, you were actually #2 with 10. That bumped you up quite a bit to your #2 overall finish. If you want to discount that criterion (rightly so, as it is certainly the least important), then you have to do so for everyone. And there were a few of those experts who would have finished considerably higher if not for a lower number of correct regions.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/15/2010 2:50:46 PMAccording to the Selection Sunday Challenge on NCAA.com, a competition between all of the bracketology experts, I was ranked #2 overall behind Bracketology 101. That site had the correct region as the most important factor, but in reality that's the least important factor, so I really was significantly more accurate than Bracketology 101. Here is the link the results - find the group called "NCAA Hoops Experts" - http://www.ncaa.com/games/selectionchallenge/2010-groups.html The link to the Bracket Matrix is here: http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix_2010.htm
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/14/2010 9:45:21 PMOf 83 bracketologists, I finished ranked 28th, which was ahead of Joe Lunardi. Of 83 Bracketologists: Lunardi 55th, Rivals 41st, B101 36th, Ryan Fagan (SN) 48th, Parrish 62nd, The Hoops Report 28th, Palm 15th, CHN 4th. I had Butler as a 5, Marquette as a 6, and Washington as an 11, but I moved all 3 because of bracketing procedures. If I didn't have to move those teams, I would've been 13th instead of 28th, which would have put me ahead of Jerry Palm.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/14/2010 4:49:06 PMMy final results were 65 of 65 teams correct, 55 of 65 teams within 1 seed, and 28 of 65 teams correct. I beat Joe Lunardi and Bracketology 101. We have to wait for the Bracket Matrix to post the final results, but I'm confident that will be certainly be in the top 5 overall. I am very happy with the results. -Ryan Feldman, The Hoops Report
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/14/2010 3:00:05 PMI posted my final bracket at 5:27 PM EST. Let's see how we do here.
Anonymous wrote at 3/14/2010 12:53:54 PMAs an example, a few years ago George Washington was ranked No. 6 during Championship Week. They lost in the conference tournament and moved down to maybe No. 10 or something like that in the final top 25 that came out the day after Selection Sunday. But in the tournament, they were a No. 8 seed.
Anonymous wrote at 3/14/2010 12:52:19 PMRankings are totally different from tournament seeding. Rankings are not at all part of the selection process. The only rankings that matter are RPI and SOS. Tournament seeding is based on resumes and body of work, while rankings are a consensus poll of writers. It's two totally different things.
Anonymous wrote at 3/14/2010 11:05:58 AMHow is tennessee number 13 in your top 25, but you give them a 5 seed in the tournament? This makes no sense
Anonymous wrote at 3/13/2010 11:50:58 PMDuke will win the ACC and get a #1 seed, it's going to be interesting because you could argue that West Virginia deserves it more than Syracuse. Purdue, especially after today, is not a #2 and could drop to as low as a #4. They have less losses than Ohio State and beat them once head-to-head, but I think Ohio State is a #2 after the Big Ten tourney. In my opinion, Ohio doesn't work at a #15 seed. I know they have 14 losses but an RPI higher than 100, and the MAC is just a stronger conference than some of the ones at 13/14. But if you put Ohio at 14, you end up with them playing Ohio State. Plus you now have to figure in New Mexico State and Houston, which makes things extra tough on the selection people.
Anonymous wrote at 3/13/2010 2:59:38 PMAre you saying Seton Hall is out? If yes, why do you have them in the bracket? They have a good RPI and SOS and have no bad losses and 4 quality wins, they should be in
Anonymous wrote at 3/13/2010 12:46:37 PMYes, UTEP is still in. Houston would be the last 13 seed right now. UTEP is a 10.
Anonymous wrote at 3/13/2010 11:44:27 AMnow that Houston beat UTEP, do the Miners still get an at-large?
bigleast wrote at 3/13/2010 7:28:44 AMSo this is what the bracket of a Big East apologist looks like.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/13/2010 7:25:25 AMReally? Seton Hall is universally out and Illinois is not in past the last 4 in? Why don't you check the other brackets today. Yesterday or the day before were much different, but right now I would bet that some of the better bracketologists agree with me. If they don't, I don't care anyway because all I care about is being accurate, not agreeing with others. Illinois just beat Wisconsin on a neutral court if you didn't notice, and Seton Hall can thank all the bubble teams like Memphis, ASU and UAB that lost right away in their conference tourneys. As far as the quality wins/bad losses, of course every committee member will look at different things differently, and that's why I consider everything- quality wins/bad losses, RPI, SOS, record vs top 50, wins vs top 50, road/neutral, etc. Trust me, everything is considered fairly equally. But I believe overall quality wins/bad losses is No. 1. That doesn't mean I weight that way more than anything else. Everything is pretty even. As far as UCSB, yes, they are similar to Montana. That's why Montana is the last 15 seed and UCSB is the top 16 seed.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/13/2010 7:19:26 AMOverall record is absolutely meaningless, so the fact that VT has a better overall record than teams means nothing, especially when almost half of their wins are against teams like NC Central and UMBC. Why don't you look at things like RPI, SOS, record vs top 50, quality wins/bad losses, and non-conference slates, things that the committee actually looks at. That's why VT is out right now, but those other ACC teams are in. You can't be on the bubble and lose your first conference tourney game to a team not in the bubble conversation and expect to make the tournament.
.... wrote at 3/13/2010 7:01:34 AMIs this your bracket projection for lacrosse or baseball? Oh, it's basketball? Wow, well then this is awful. I don't even know where to begin. Ok, nevermind, I do. You have Virginia Tech waaaaaaay out, and admittedly, yesterdays loss to Miami was bad, but let's just break this down for a second. Wake just to Miami in the first round, AND in their only meeting with VT, VT won, AND VT has a better record, AND a better conf. record. Yet you have Wake as a 10 seed... Ok, so then I see Georgia Tech as a 12 seed. Georgia Tech is now in the ACC semis...good great grand. However, once again, they had a worse record than VT, a worse conference record, and...tada! VT beat them in the last reg season game AT Georgia Tech. Yet, after beating an awful UNC and upsetting Maryland, suddenly their in...and VT is out. Ok, so whatever. THEN I see you have Seton Hall as one of the last 4 in. If you're not sensing a theme here (which, judging by your "bracketology", themes and conclusions may escape you), Virginia Tech beat Seton Hall without Malcolm Delaney. OH!, and guess what...yup you got it, a better overall record. And just for some fun. Clemson is in as an 8 seed. I don't suppose I should tell you VT beat them in their only meeting, had a better conference record and better overall record...because I bet you knew that, didn't you? In conclusion, don't quit your day job.
Anonymous wrote at 3/13/2010 2:40:40 AMA few more glaring errors- Seton Hall is universally considered out. Conference foes Virginia Tech and Wake Forest have almost identical resumes yet you have them separated by more than 12 teams.
Anonymous wrote at 3/13/2010 2:03:44 AMIt took you way too long but at least you have Washington in the tournament. I feel confident that they will be in even if they lose to Cal in the conference championship. You have said many times that quality wins and bad losses are the most important factors in the selection process. That is not necessarily true. Every person on the committee values different statistics to a different value. I've read that some committee members look particularly at road and neutral court victories and others at records against top 50 teams. Others put a lot of value on how a team finishes the year. Clearly, you place a lot of value on quality wins (which is fine) but I guarantee the selection committee will not weight it nearly as heavily as you do. For example, Illinois, despite their quality wins, is 8-13 against rpi top 200 teams. You read that correctly. That is a ridiculous stat. Your bracket is the only one that I've seen that has illinois above the last 4 in list, and you have them as a lock. I know its pretty easy to criticize projections on such a complicated process but your analysis weighs far too heavily on quality wins/bad losses and not enough on team's complete resume.
Anonymous wrote at 3/13/2010 1:53:32 AMi mean, really? you honestly believe the committee would do that to them? if Long Beach State wins, i understand. but UCSB's numbers are similar to Montana's, yet they are seeded ahead. All season long Santa Barbara has been a 15, why do they drop now??
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 11:25:27 PMAnd I'm not the one who gives them a shot. That's up to the committee. I'm just here to let you know what I believe the committee will do. That's what many people don't get it - that bracketologists don't pick the teams that get in the tournament. We just project what the committee will do. That doesn't mean I think certain teams should be in or out. It means I believe the committee thinks that. There's a huge difference. And yes, WSU won a couple conference tourney games (not that that's a huge accomplishment) and the other teams didn't. And that's why WSU is even in the same group as those other teams, but none of them are actually in.
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 11:17:54 PMI'm not trying to do anything but be accurate. If you read my posts below, you'll see when I wrote about how I totally re-evaluated every team's resume because we're coming close to Selection Sunday and I need to be as accurate as possible. Upon closely examining all of the resumes, I realized that Wichita State is behind those other teams. I'm not trying to promote any teams or "stick my neck out" for anybody. I'm just trying to accurate mirror the selection committee. And if you follow me on Twitter (@TheHoopsReport), I'm giving more frequent bracketology updates throughout the day, and in my last one tonight I had Wichita State has the 8th team out. Everything changes hour by hour. That's just how it goes, and unfortunately Wichita State isn't playing anymore, so they can't control their own fate like these other teams can and have.
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 11:01:57 PMWhy the huge switch on Wichita State in just one day? On March 11th you had them among your last 8 in, and in the span of one day, they're not even among your last 8 out? Looks like you're "pulling a Lunardi"... that's when you completely bail on a few picks with only a day or two to go just so you can say you had the right teams all along. If you're gonna be one of the very few out there who's willing to give Wichita State some props for actually winning a few conference tourney games, unlike the bubble masses (Memphis, UAB, Arizona State, Virginia Tech, to name a few) who crash and burn pretty early in their tourneys, then stick your neck out and give them a shot instead of pushing them off your board entirely in just 24 hours.
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 7:59:41 PMAs of 9:50 PM EST: Last 8 In-URI, Wash, Seton Hall, SD State, GT, Fla, Illin, UNLV. Last 8 Out-Ole Miss, W&M, Minn, USF, Memph, UAB, VT, ASU.
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 3:05:17 PMAs of 5:00 PM EST: Last 8 In-URI, Wash, Miss, GT, SD St, Ill, Fla, UNLV. Last 8 Out: Seton Hall, W&M, Minn, UAB, VT, USF, Memph, ASU.
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 11:10:43 AMThey lost 3 in a row, so they obviously dropped. Since then, they've won 5 in a row, but none of those wins came over quality teams, so that didn't help them move up. Like I stated below, I re-evaluated everything last night to cram down on my accuracy with Selection Sunday coming up in two days, so that's where I have them. It's not about moving up and down. It's just that compared to other teams, I have them as the first 11 seed right now. A win today and they will obviously move up. But don't worry, they are getting in the tournament regardless.
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 10:16:40 AMHow can UNLV continue to drop (now to an 11 seed) with 5 consecutive wins and key wins that include Louisville, BYU, San Diego State and at New Mexico (only team this year to do that). Every bracket you keep posting, they keep slipping further down while all the other sites have them at an 8 or 9 seed and moving up. They win and drop?? I am very confused??
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/12/2010 10:01:52 AMMinnesota could be in with a with today but it will be close. If they win 2 games, they are definitely in. And the reason Illinois is still in is because the bubble is so weak. A win today and Illinois is definitely in. A loss and it will be close.
Ryan wrote at 3/12/2010 6:42:50 AMIf we beat Mich st are we in or do we still need to get to big ten final? Thanks for answering questions?
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 1:33:15 AMi meant lost to wisconsin. i spoke too soon. their loss to minnesota doesn't help either, though
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 1:26:13 AMYes, Illinois split with Michigan State and Wisconsin but they were also swept by Purdue and Ohio State. their last loss of the season was at home to Minnesota, something they really couldn't afford. The Illini still have to answer for the two losses to Bradley and Utah. With their overall record, an RPI in the 70s and an SOS in the 40s does Illinois really deserve an at-large?
Anonymous wrote at 3/12/2010 12:52:52 AMI made some major revisions tonight. With Selection Sunday coming up in a couple days, I really broke down every team's resume to try and tighten up my accuracy. That's the reason for some of the significant changes. I'll be happy to answer any questions about it.
Anonymous wrote at 3/11/2010 8:02:30 PMAs of 9:45 pm EST: Last 8 In-Wichita St, Va Tech, Illinois, SD St, Fla, Ole Miss, Ga Tech, Wake. Last 4 Out-Ariz St, Miss St, Cincy, Dayton. Next 4 Out-Washington, Rhode Island, Minnesota, Seton Hall.
Anonymous wrote at 3/11/2010 9:02:57 AMKB- Really? You looked at all 78 brackets? If the season ended today, none of those teams would be in. Washington and Mississippi State can still play themselves in but they have to at least get to the semifinals of their tournament, and most likely the finals. Wichita State's tournament ending before other conferences doesn't mean they can't be on the bubble. They aren't getting in but they will be considered strongly. TC- NM isn't a lock for a 2 but probably won't be less than a 3. They need to at least get to the MWC finals to get a 2. Ryan- Wich St won 2 games before they lost that game. That's how they moved up. It doesn't change the fact that Minn needs to at least get to the semifinals to get in, and maybe even the finals.
KB wrote at 3/11/2010 8:35:51 AMu really think these teams are ahead of huskies? wichita st. is out, they lost...u r the only one in the country who is picking wichita st. and mis. st. ahead of the huskies...the only one. wow!
TC wrote at 3/10/2010 4:44:37 PMPicked to finish 5th in the Mountain West Conf, regular season conf. champions, overall 28-3, and undefeated against 7 top 25 teams this year. Should this surprise team of the year be a lock for a two seed, or do they have to win in Vegas.
Ryan wrote at 3/10/2010 4:21:17 PMWe HAVen't even played and how did Wichita St past us when they lost? why didnt you have them over us from the beginning? Just watch the Gophs prove you wrong, but I don't get how you do things
KB wrote at 3/10/2010 3:44:02 PMgeorgia tech,sdsu, memphis, washington, ole miss...in that order. Illinois,ASU and UAB first 3 out in that order. va tech is in regardless. We'll see what happens. Thanks for the good commentary
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/10/2010 1:03:14 AMPitt's 6 top 50 wins are Wichita St, Kent St, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia and Villanova. Kansas State's 7 top 50 wins are Dayton, Xavier, UNLV, Texas A&M, Texas, Baylor and Missouri. Ohio State's 5 top 50 wins are California, Florida State, Purdue, Wisconsin and Michigan State.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/9/2010 9:32:59 PMIronically, Kansas State is now a 2 and Pitt is a 3. They are right next to each other, very close. Kansas State now has 7 top 50 wins instead of 6 because Dayton moved into the top 50 with its win, and KSU beat Dayton. No, UConn is not in the top 50. I'll have to let you later who all of the top 50 wins are, but I can't look right now because I'm still at MSG covering the Big East tourney. If South Florida and/or Seton Hall win tomorrow, they will be moved into the bracket. That is the only significant news from today as far as the bracket is concerned.
Shawn wrote at 3/9/2010 3:39:45 PMI believe you must be looking at an old RPI before yesterday when you did your bracket, "Pitt and KSU both have 6 top 50 wins, while OSU has 5. Pitt has the best top 50 record of the three teams at 6-3." UConn is no longer in the top 50, Pitt's only top 50 wins are currently, WVU, Nova and Cuse(Pitt has Xavier, TAMU, Texas and Baylor, OSU has Purdue, Wisconsin, MSU and Cal). Additionally, Pitt lost to Indiana, KState lost to Iowa State, OSU lost to Michigan(without Evan Turner), it seems to me that Pitt's worst loss is worse than the other two teams worse loss. So again, based on the current RPI, SoS and QW/Bad Losses, why is Pitt the final #2 seed over KState?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/9/2010 11:33:38 AMYou clearly don't understand the selection process, and that's okay because most people don't, but please try to follow me here. There is no definition of a "quality win" or "bad loss," and there are various degrees of both. If you want to argue with me what a bad loss or quality win is, that's fine, but I'm just letting you know. A loss to USC is a bad loss. A home loss to USC is a very bad loss. A loss to Texas Tech is a bad loss. A win over Arizona or Washington State or UCLA or whoever else is not a good win. There are 65 teams in the tournament but only 34 are at-large teams. About 20-25 of them are automatic qualifiers that wouldn't be in if they didn't win their conference tournament. A win over Winthrop or East Tennessee State is not a good win. If you lose to those teams, it's a bad loss. Believe what you want to believe, but I'm just telling you how it is. Washington doesn't have any quality road wins, and they have too many bad losses. They are not in right now. If they get to the Pac-10 final, they have a chance, but they're better off winning the conference tourney. Also, RPI isn't everything. It's only one part of the selection process. A 75 RPI hurts Illinois but they also have a ton of great quality wins, even on the road. Quality wins and bad losses are the most important factor in the process, and RPI is one of many factors in the process. Nothing is that simple. It's very complicated to compare team's resumes.
KB wrote at 3/9/2010 11:16:20 AMAccording to realtime rpi the huskies have 4 bad losses(rpi 101 or higher)which is the determining factor for the committee when deciding bad losses. Remember, they r considering making the field 96 teams, which implies that they believe those teams are decent teams. So uw actually has 6 good wins and 4 bad losses and have 2 wins over teams in the top 30 teams in the nation, which can't be said for miss. st.(4 bad losses) or memphis(3 bad losses). Also, illinois has rpi of 75 and you have then in the tourney? San diego state has 3 good wins and 2 bad losses and only one win over top 30 team. Huskies stack up as well or better than these teams. If they beat ASU they will be in.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/9/2010 6:56:13 AMPitt has slightly better quality wins/bad losses than Kansas State and Ohio State. Kansas State's wins/losses are worst of the three teams but all three are very close. OSU has a significantly worse RPI and SOS than the other two teams. Pitt and KSU both have 6 top 50 wins, while OSU has 5. Pitt has the best top 50 record of the three teams at 6-3. Compared to OSU, Pitt has better wins/losses, RPI, SOS, more top 50 wins, and a better top 50 record. Compared to KSU, Pitt has a slightly worse RPI and SOS, and the same amount of top 50 wins, but a better top 50 record and most importantly, better wins/losses. The order is Pitt, KSU, OSU.
Shawn wrote at 3/9/2010 12:47:51 AMI'm curious why you think Pitt deserves the final #2 seed if the season ended today over either OSU or Kansas State.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/8/2010 4:58:58 PMThere are different degrees of bad losses and quality wins. Of course, some losses are worse than others. But any loss to a team that isn't even remotely being considered for an at-large bid is a bad loss. For example, a loss to Seton Hall is not a bad loss, but a loss to Rutgers is a bad loss. KenPom ratings are not part of the selection process at all. RPI of course is. To a point, bad losses are factored into the RPI, but not fully. For RPI, it doesn't really matter who you beat and who you lost to, as long as you played those teams and got a win or a loss. For example, if you play Kansas or Alcorn State, a win or a loss still counts the same. Regardless of whether you won or lost the game, it still counts the same towards your SOS. You could have two games back-to-back against Kansas and Alcorn State, and whichever team you beat and lost to, as long as you went 1-1 against those two teams, it would be the same result for your RPI. The committee weights quality wins and bad losses the most of any factor. Everything is factored in. It's a long process. But it's easier for me to say that a team has so many bad losses or quality wins, etc., than to lay out every team's entire detailed resume.
KB wrote at 3/8/2010 3:28:39 PMAlso, what is a bad loss? Losing to a team over rpi 100? Also, what if a team only has three bad losses but they are to teams over rpi 200 level as compared to another team that has 6 but they are to teams from 101-130?
KB wrote at 3/8/2010 3:15:10 PMSince your are very heavily rating bad losses as a determining factor, what are the bad losses for the other bubble teams ot of curiosity? Also, aren't bad losses factored into RPI and KEN Pom ratings etc????
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/8/2010 11:49:32 AMYes, the difference is really the non-conference schedules. Marquette got a neutral win over Xavier, while ND got zero quality non-conference wins but two bad losses, including a home loss to Loyola Marymount. If ND wins a game or two more than Marquette in the BE tourney, they could still catch them in the seeding.
bewildered wrote at 3/8/2010 7:48:56 AMNot sure why Marquette is getting so much love. Their only quality wins are Louisville (at home) and Georgetown. By comparison, Notre Dame beat two teams Marquette lost to (West Virginia and Pitt), also beat Georgetown, and took Louisville to 2OT away and without Harangody. Both teams beat UConn. ND beat Marquette away. Both teams played easy nonconference schedules. Why is Marquette an 8 and ND an 11 and not necessarily a lock to be in? Early season bad losses?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 9:31:36 PMDon't get me wrong, beating Syracuse twice is incredible. If they were on the bubble, which they are not and won't be, they would get in first out of all bubble teams because of those two wins. But still, they only have 2 top 50 wins. Those wins over Cuse are the only ones. Every team seeded 1-8 has at least 3 top 50 wins. And they've had 8 chances at top 50 wins. If they can win a game or two in the BE tourney, they will certainly move up, and if UConn and ND can win a game or 2 in the BE tourney, that will help as well, but as of now, they have 2 tremendous wins and not much else after that. I expect them to move up a little before next Sunday, but as of now they are where they are.
chase wrote at 3/7/2010 8:36:07 PMi think your last update had louisville as a 9 seed and they beat the #1 team in the country and go up only one seed
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 4:45:03 PMNo, I didn't "forget" to move them down. Losing Hummel doesn't change their body of work. They still have the resume of a 1 seed, no matter what others may think. The only way a team gets penalized for an injury is if they prove to be a much worse team without that player. But Purdue is 3-1 without Hummel and that one loss was to a very good yet desperate Michigan State team. There's nothing at all wrong with losing to Michigan State. If Purdue were to lose its first game in the Big Ten tournament, then sure, they would slide down a bit. But if they get to the Big Ten finals, then they will have proved to still be worthy of a 1 seed. When Kenyon Martin went down for Cincy, the Bearcats lost their next game and it was early in the C-USA tourney, so they proved to be worse without him. Purdue is 3-1 without Hummel with no bad losses, so they haven't proven anything. And for the record, I think E'Twaun Moore is the best player for Purdue. But that team is very well-rounded with Moore, Johnson and some good role players, so I don't think losing Hummel is as dramatic a loss as most people are making it out to be. Sure it hurts, but I haven't seen much worse of a Purdue team yet. Show me that they are worse and I will move them down, but right now they still have the fourth best resume in the country, so they are a 1 seed today.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 4:39:45 PMI moved them down 5 spots. They were the last team in earlier this week. Memphis, Wichita State, Virginia Tech and Arizona State each won at least one game since then. Also, I do the entire bracketology process from the beginning every time I post a new bracket. I don't just slide teams up and down based on losses like most other bracketologists do in lazy fashion throughout the season. Therefore, the positioning of teams could slightly change based on many factors every single day. It still doesn't change the fact that Minnesota is one loss from being permanently out and has a good chance to get in by getting to the B10 semis or final.
Ryan wrote at 3/7/2010 4:07:08 PMHow did that happen? the bubble teams have been terrible this week even after mar 5 after your last one that you still had us in? howd that happen?
Bob wrote at 3/7/2010 3:09:22 PMDid you forget to move Purdue down after they lost Robbie Hummel for the season? Or do you actually believe that they would still be a 1 seed if the season ended today?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 12:44:56 PMNo, I am not from the South. And I really don't have any bias towards anybody. I'm probably one of the rare college hoops experts who follows pretty much all conferences equally. I actually live on the East Coast but I watch almost every single Pac-10 game on TV. I watch as much Pac-10 and Mountain West as any conference.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 12:42:22 PMYou're exactly right. And that's Washington's fault for making a bad schedule and the Pac-10's fault, as a whole, for performing poorly out of conference. Mid-majors have the same problem. They have 25 chances at a bad loss and 5-7 chances usually at a quality win. You have to win most of those chances and avoid too many bad losses. The committee could care less about a close loss or if Arizona is a promising young team. It's still a bad loss to a team that is nowhere on the tournament radar. And it doesn't matter what a team was when Washington played them. What matters is what they are now. Texas Tech is a bad loss. You don't know how well a team will do until late in the season. Obviously, TT was overrated. It's not like a team can be the 15th best team at one point and then a month later be the 100th best team. The fact is that they were overrated. All that matters is the end result. And the end result is that TT is not a quality team, so that's a bad loss. Same with USC. In the middle of the season, USC was a tournament-quality team (if they were eligible), but now USC is a bad loss. The committee doesn't care about excuses. No matter how you break it down, UW has 3 good wins and 6 bad losses. It's very tough to make the tournament with that resume. Northern Iowa had 5 chances at a quality win and won 4 of them. They also had 26 chances at bad losses and only lost 3 of them. Do you see the difference? Washington had more chances at good wins as a mid-major and won less and lost more. You can't get in without beating anybody, and especially if you also lose to bad teams. It's nobody's fault but UW for losing all of those games and not winning when they had their chances.
Dizzle wrote at 3/7/2010 12:36:35 PMAnd you're right. Lunardi is a douche-knuckle who lets his ego get in the way of making picks. I have seen teams suddenly appear on the bubble late in the season after being out of the conversation for months several times. I guess I was just a little bit surprised that teams like Ole Miss, UAB and Memphis are still in the field at this point. If i had to take a wild guess I'd say you are from somewhere in the south. Maybe not- but in my experience there is likely to be a little regional bias in your picks even if you don't intend it.
Dizzle wrote at 3/7/2010 12:14:39 PMAlright, I see what you're saying about UW having some bad losses, but the truth is that by your definition literally any game UW played (except Georgetown, Texas A&M, Cal and ASU) could have been a bad loss this year. Not kidding- EVERY other game. I assume the losses you're talking about are @TTech, Oregon, @Arizona, @UCLA, @USC and USC. I wont disagree with Oregon or @UCLA, but USC is not a bad team at all. They had a shaky start but ended up destroying Tennessee and soundly beating St. Mary's and UNLV on neutral court. Arizona certainly isn't a bad team either- young and inconsistent but not bad. And although the Texas Tech loss looks bad now they were 7-0 and ranked at the time. Also, both the UCLA game and Texas Tech game were lost on buzzer beaters. I guess what I'm saying is that according to you Washington had 4 to 6 chances at quality wins this year (Gtown, Texas A&M, Cal 2x, ASU? 2x) and 25 chances to get a bad loss. How can they realistically be expected to get the same number of quality wins and bad losses with their schedule? Especially compared to say an average big east team like South Florida who this year had about a dozen chances at a quality win and a dozen chances to get a bad loss. Your logic seems somewhat flawed. I understand the pac10 is pretty much a defacto mid-major this year but UW played some quality teams out of conference and naturally lost a few conference games in a competitive league where any loss was a "bad" one.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 11:32:59 AMAnd to whoever suggested I just copy Lunardi's bracket and make some changes, that would pretty difficult considering my bracket always comes out before his and I update it every single day. And why would I even want to do be similar to someone who isn't very accurate? I could care less what he thinks. In fact, I feel better when we differ. We're way off on some our seeding. I love how I've had Memphis in the last 8 out for 2 weeks or so and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, he has them as second out two days ago after never having them listed. And I love how he said that Washington isn't even in the conversation and has no chance for an at-large and all of a sudden, after never being in his last 8 out, Washington is his first team out after a meaningless victory.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 11:12:31 AMSpartyrocks, Michigan State still has the second worst RPI of any team currently seeded in the first six lines, and no team seeded in the first eight lines has less top 50 wins than Michigan State. Winning your conference is great but it doesn't get you a better seed without the quality wins. Did you forget that MSU lost 4 of 6, and it's only 2 wins in that stretch were to Penn State and Indiana? Sure, they got 1 quality win at Purdue because they were desperate. But 1 quality win isn't enough to get them better than a 5 seed right now. They have no other great road wins and only one other quality win over a team that isn't on the bubble (Wisconsin). If they want better than a 5, they better at least make the Big Ten championship game.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 11:07:40 AMDizzle, You're leaving out the most important stat for Washington. They have 6 bad losses. A bad loss is just as important as a quality win, which they only have 3 of. That said, if they get to at least the Pac-10 semis they have a chance to get in. If they get to the finals they definitely have a chance. But they have to lose to Cal or ASU. They just haven't gotten any quality wins lately to move them up, yet they lost at home to USC a couple weeks ago. It's hard to move up much without any quality wins. If you beat Alcorn State 20 times in a row, it doesn't mean your a tournament team just because you won your last 20 games. If that was the case, Murray State, Siena and Cornell would be at-large teams.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/7/2010 11:03:35 AMJD, UAB getting in has more to do with other teams losing. I know they lost their last two games but everyone is losing so by default UAB is still hanging on as the last team in. That said, they probably have to get to the C-USA championship, as does Memphis, to really get in.
Spartyrocks wrote at 3/7/2010 8:26:52 AMOk, Tell me, MSU may be in a 3 way tie for the big ten title after today, beat Purdue, Beat Wisconsin (split series)....went 9 and 0 to start the big ten, lost a couple games when the star point guard was hurt and out for 3 games... And this stupid bracket has them as a 5??? And ranked 16th??? Wiconsin who at best finishes a game behind MSU and more likely 2 behind ranked higher? OSU and Purdue both 3 seeds higher. Someone here needs to lay off the crackpipe.
Dizzle wrote at 3/7/2010 7:34:25 AMYo feldman i know you're not hatin on the pac 10 like a lot of "experts" but I have to think the huskies are just about in at this point. It looks like you copied and pasted lunardi's bracket and made a few small changes. In any case I can straight up prove to you by the numbers that UW has a better resume than Memphis, SDSU, Ole Miss, and UAB to name the obvious ones. Part of it might be this isn't updated but UW has a better record, sos and rpi than virtually every other bubble team. Plus, they finished the year 9-2 with 4 straight true road victories (which was your biggest qualm before). They are 2-2 against the rpi top 50 and 6-5 against the top 100. Just about all of your bubble teams are WAY worse against the rpi top 50: 2-5 (SDSU and memphis) 2-4 (VTech) 4-7 (Illinois) 3-7 (Florida) 2-8 (Miss). True they don't have many quality wins but thats mostly because they didn't play many quality teams. Despite that, they still had a very high out of conference rpi and beat some tough teams like Wright state, montana, portland and texas a&m. They also lost 2 games they should have won on buzzer beaters against texas tech and ucla. Anyway, i think i've made my point. Check the stats again and give UW some love.
JD wrote at 3/7/2010 2:05:39 AMAs a UC Santa Barbara alum, I consider myself sympathetic towards my fellow non-power conference members. That said, I am happy and also very surprised that you have UAB and Memphis both in. Memphis just beat UAB recently and I think you had them both out - now UAB is back in even though they've suffered a second consecutive loss (heartbreaking as it was to UTEP) and in addition, have now been swept by both UTEP and Memphis. Great to see C-USA getting represented well, but if the official bracket came out today do you really believe that league would send three teams??
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/6/2010 4:57:34 PMI don't worry about what others think. My results will speak for themselves. Some people might look at one bad loss and think that means they're done but in reality it's only one game. You can make up for a bad loss with a quality win. Everyone thought Notre Dame was done after a few consecutive losses a few weeks ago but I kept them in the conversation and kept them as a quality win and they won four straight since then. Win and they'll be back in it. One more bad loss and they're done.
Ryan wrote at 3/6/2010 1:25:39 PMNobody else has them close,so i hope your right, and I hope we beat iowa and win a few games in indiana! Why do you think you have minnesota higher then alot of others?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/4/2010 5:18:25 PMThe reason is because UConn and UAB lost yesterday and Minnesota still has better quality wins than those teams as well as St. Mary's, Dayton and Virginia Tech, and some other teams can't even be considered because they've been losing so many games. The fact that Minnesota is still right there if they get back on the winning track shows how extremely weak the bubble is right now.
Ryan wrote at 3/4/2010 4:29:49 PMI am a huge Gopher fan, and would be thrilled if they get in but after tuesday night can you give me reason why the selection committe would still be talking about them? to boost my hope?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/4/2010 11:53:13 AMSorry about that typo. The 4th team in is Illinois. I fixed it. As for Vandy, they have 8 quality wins and 4 quality road wins. It's more a product of no teams really having great resumes for that last #2 seed. WV and Nova have been losing games lately and Vandy's RPI and SOS dominates Ohio State. As far as the "eye test" as someone mentioned, Vandy certainly looks like a 2 seed in that regard. Did you see them at Florida the other day or in their two-point loss to Kentucky? As for spots opening up, a couple spots did open up because UConn and UAB lost. UAB was in until its loss to Memphis. ODU is already in but not by much. Miss State is barely in after the loss to Auburn. Wake is moving towards the bubble but still safe. The problem with St. Mary's is that they won't have another opportunity for a quality win until the WCC finals, so they need to hope for other bubble teams to screw up for the Gaels to get in.
Clay wrote at 3/4/2010 5:58:37 AMVandy as a 2? If the season ended today? This bracket doesn't pass the eye test.
JD wrote at 3/4/2010 1:33:18 AMwith yesterday's losses by UConn, Miss. State and Wake does that open up at-larges again if needed for Memphis/UAB, ODU, or a St. Mary's? the major conference teams keep on shooting themselves in the foot, especially Wake.
JD wrote at 3/4/2010 1:25:25 AMwhoa there! I did not see that one coming. I have not seen them play all year so I'd like to know why Vanderbilt is a 2 seed. Also, you listed Ole Miss twice in your "last 4 in" list
Shawn wrote at 3/3/2010 11:44:26 PMOh, I was more saying that it would be avoided if possible(when is it not possible), but you got the right idea. Re: ND. I wasn't so much saying that I didn't believe they could get back on the bubble, but more so that it wasn't right to put them as a quality win just because they could get back on the bubble. But honestly, who thought a Harangodyless ND would be able to beat Pitt, Georgetown and uconn?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/3/2010 9:58:41 PMHey Shawn, remember about two weeks ago (three games ago) when you told me I'm crazy for saying that Notre Dame could still be a bubble team if it wins out? How's that looking now?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/3/2010 9:17:51 PMBy the way, they are allowed to meet in the second round if they played in the regular season. But it is supposed to be avoided if possible. I probably could have changed it around, though, but it's not that big of a deal as compared to other procedures, especially in the second round. But thanks.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/3/2010 9:15:42 PMThanks Shawn, I appreciate it. Sometimes I miss one of those once in a while.
Shawn wrote at 3/3/2010 5:43:58 PMjust so you know you have a second round match between Wake Forest and Purdue, they played during the regular season so that's unlikely to happen.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 3/3/2010 4:30:55 PMDon't try and tell me that I'm hating on Washington when for the longest time I was the only bracketologist that had them in the tournament. I finally took them out after their home loss to USC two weeks ago. They will have to win their last 2 and get to the Pac-10 championship to even be on the bubble. Their RPI is comparable to other bubble teams, but they only have 2 road wins all season long, at Stanford and Washington State. They only have 3 quality wins all season long, all at home, and only 2 top 50 wins. They have 6 bad losses, including 2 bad home losses. You can't have a 1:2 quality win:bad loss ratio and expect to be seriously considered for an at-large spot. They just don't have to wins, especially not the road/neutral wins, and they have way too many bad losses.
Khale wrote at 3/3/2010 4:07:04 PMuw sos, top 50 record, and ken pom rating are all generally better than most of the teams you have in last 4 in, first 4 out and next 4 out. You are not blindly jumping on the PAC 10 hatin bandwagon without sincerely looking at the numbers are you?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/28/2010 9:27:00 PMFor information on the latest update, check out the latest article, "Breaking Down the Bracket."
Unknown wrote at 2/24/2010 10:35:45 PMIf the A10 actually puts five teams in the tourney after watching that joke @ Temple tonight, I think the excrement will hit the ventilation device. Seriously? That's so not gonna happen. It's like calling some girl you just cheated on your wife with telling her to take her name of the voicemail, and then lying about doing it, and then apologizing from a script you seemingly wrote 10 minutes earlier!
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/22/2010 10:02:07 AMCalling someone a quality win is totally different from putting a team in the tournament or having them on the bubble. There are plenty of teams that are quality wins that aren't on the bubble. Northeastern, St Louis, Texas Tech and Wichita St, to name a few, are quality wins but aren't on the bubble right now. There are different levels of quality wins - obviously a win over Kansas is way more valuable than a win over Siena, but they are both quality wins. ND beat USF twice, Cincy, West Virginia and St Louis (now a quality win). ND is on the verge of becoming a bad loss. Teams change throughout the season. UNC was a great win early in the season and now is a bad loss. Va Tech has always been on the bubble for the past few weeks. They were my 2nd out for the last week. Playing Duke helped their RPI and other teams lost, which propelled them into the bracket. Cincy was 5th in - that's not solidly in. They were an 11 seed. They had a must-win at home and they lost, so now they are back on the wrong side of the bubble. There are more than 12 teams (first 4 in, last 8 out) that are on the bubble. Just because I don't list them at the bottom doesn't mean they aren't on the bubble. Cincy now needs a few wins to get back in.
Shawn wrote at 2/22/2010 9:08:21 AMYou stated, "Call it what you want, but wins over USF and UConn are certainly quality wins, and ND is for now. I said they could get back to the bubble if they win out. Will that happen? I highly doubt it, but I don't predict the future." What makes ND a quality win right now thought? Their one top 50 win against WVU? You call it a quality win because they could still get back on the bubble. Part of you says you don't predict the future, but you don't bother to look at ND's current tournament profile, but instead say they could get back on the bubble so they're a quality win. This in turn factors into your analysis of other teams QWs because once you count ND as a QW you can prop up profiles of BE teams you think should be on the right side of the bubble but minimize teams you didn't think should be, i.e VaTech. I love that you now decide VaTech is bubble worthy when the only thing that's changed is that they lost to Duke, whereas Cincy went for solidly in your bracket to not even the last 8 out with a loss to Marquette.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/22/2010 8:09:40 AMWhen I have ever talked about a team's remaining schedule for a reason I have them in right now? Please don't make things up. I've never done that.
Shawn wrote at 2/22/2010 5:56:58 AMYes, every year teams get in with 10+ losses, that wasn't what I was saying though, I was saying, if you have 10+ losses at this point in the season, meaning with 3-5+ games to play, you shouldn't be getting in in most instances. there are just too many quality teams with less losses(presumably in most cases to equivalent teams), I wasn't saying when the season ends, I was saying today. Think about the teams on the right side of the bubble right now , and the teams on the wrong side of the bubble, almost invariably the teams on the right side of the bubble in most estimations have fewer than 10 losses at this point in the season, and the teams on the wrong side of the bubble have 10 or more. Is it a hard rule? No. But think about it for awhile, now if those 10 loss teams win out, its a different story, but your bracket as if the season ended today, and its pretty hard to have 10+ losses and still have enough QWs at this point in the season to be on the right side of the bubble. I honestly think you're confused about whether or not your bracket is a season ending today or a projection bracket though with the way you talk about remaining schedules as reasons why teams should get in TODAY.S
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/21/2010 10:32:01 PMGuys, check out the article I posted tonight about the RPI in college basketball. Many of you should find it interesting. Give it a read if you have a few minutes. Thanks.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/21/2010 8:09:30 PMIt looks to me like VT needs to win 3 of their last 4 to definitely get in. Going 2-2 in their last 4 without a strong performance in the ACC tournament will leave them very much on the bubble.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/21/2010 7:55:21 PMWell unfortunately that's not how it works. Every year there are teams that get in with 10+ losses that get in, and certainly there are plenty of 10+ loss teams that are in the discussion every year. That's just how it is, right or wrong. Why should a team that plays a weak schedule be rewarded and a team that challenges itself be punished? That would be unfair. And every single win and loss is on a team's resume. I actually had VT in the tournament before the Duke game tonight because of all the other team's losses. I may still have them in after this loss. Check back later tonight to find out. Losing at Duke helps their RPI, so I think I still will have them in, but I have to work on it now, so we'll see later tonight.
Shawn wrote at 2/21/2010 5:19:06 PMand I'm telling you that as of today there is absolutely no way the selection committee would put Seton Hall, Cincy and Marquette in and leave VaTech out, it just wouldn't happen. The selection committee would not consider ND a marquee QW worthy of noting on a team's resume today or 3 weeks from now. I would say that if you have 10+ losses at this point in the season(not to say that absolute number of losses matter), you're not worth mentioning during a body of work discussion, and I think that's fair.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/21/2010 3:29:37 PMCall it what you want, but wins over USF and UConn are certainly quality wins, and ND is for now. I said they could get back to the bubble if they win out. Will that happen? I highly doubt it, but I don't predict the future. If Miami won out, they still wouldn't be on the bubble. ND has a better RPI and SOS than Miami. With one more loss, ND is out of the remote discussion and will no longer be a quality win. The middle of the BE may be overrated, but it's not my job to judge. I'm just mocking the selection committee and predicting what they will do. Keep that in mind. This isn't what I think the bracket should like. It's what I think the committee will think. That's the name of the game.
Shawn wrote at 2/21/2010 3:00:46 PMOh I also forgot ND's wins against USF, another team with a suspect at-large profile, that has creeped into people's at-large discussion because of wins versus Pitt and Georgetown. Apparently 16-10 and 6-8 in the BE puts you on the bubble just by having 1-2 QWs in the entire season with a few questionable losses. The middle of the BE is frankly overrated, they play crappy non-conference schedules and then beat each other up to make each other look good and occasionally steal wins from the top of the conference to somehow get into the bubble discussion with each of their 1 QW against the top and beat ups of the other middle of the pack teams. Its not a quality win to beat a team that beats one good team and then a bunch of average teams and beats up on the cream puffs in the non-conference season. Its the same story with USF, uconn and ND. The only thing that seperates them from St. John's is one BE upset.
Shawn wrote at 2/21/2010 2:44:54 PMOh Opps, I forgot to include ND's bad loss to Rutgers, yep, definitely a bubble worth team, yes, they could get back on the bubble because they have remaining games against Pitt, Georgetown, UCONN and Marquette, but isn't your bracket a season ending today one? Notre Dame is not a bubble team today, but if they are, so is Miami(FL).
Shawn wrote at 2/21/2010 2:39:03 PMYou mean Seton Hall's 3 straight wins to St. John's, DePaul and Notre Dame, two teams that aren't even in any discussion for anything but the NIT this season, and a team that shouldn't be in the bubble discussion, yes that's impressive for Seton Hall right there. Much more impressive than Virginia Tech's 4 straight wins versus Clemson, NC State, Virginia and Wake Forest. Again conference record totally matters, you think the selection committee isn't going to have in their head when they vote that Seton Hall is 6-8 in the BE and VaTech is 8-3 in the ACC? What makes Notre Dame any more bubble worthy than Maiami(FL) though? Because you say so? Miami(FL) has wins against Minnesota, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech. Notre Dame has a win against WVU and thats it. Is Notre Dame in the discussion because they're 6-8 in the BE but Miami is 3-9 in the ACC? Miami has more QWs than Notre Dame and bad losses to Boston College x2 and Virginia, compared to Notre Dame's bad losses to St. John's and Loyola Marymount. Notre Dame is only a decent win because people haven't actually looked at their resume closely, frankly its just as bad as Miami(FL). If you're going to count ND as a quality win, you've gotta count Miami(FL) a team with a better resume.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/21/2010 2:05:34 PMYes, that was before VT's win over Wake, and it was also before SH's 3 straight wins. Both get those teams right into the mix on the bubble. All of your arguments in your last 2 posts are saying that Cincy, SH and VT are all very close, which they are. Cincy is my 5th team in, SH is 2nd in, and VT is 2nd out. Slight edges are all you need to separate teams when they are that close. I hope things play out in the end to make it easier to separate these teams, but right now the slightest of edges is all it takes. I didn't say record vs top 50 doesn't matter. I said that overall record and conference record don't matter. Record vs top 50 RPI certainly matters very much. Vandy is a 3 seed, Wake is a 6, so yes those wins are stronger. UConn twice, ND and USF are 4 more decent quality wins. Miami is not in the discussion for an at-large, so they are not a quality win. ND is barely still a quality win because they could win out and be back on the bubble. You're right that beating Cincy, Pitt and and L-ville are similar to beating SH, Wake and Clemson, but it's slightly (and I mean slightly) stronger and like I said, ND is still a decent win as of now. That's all it takes. That's why one big win for any of these teams could get them in. It's very close on the bubble right now.
Shawn wrote at 2/21/2010 11:19:42 AMAlso, so since they weren't brought up for a vote that means they weren't discussed at all which was your contention? But Seton Hall wasn't even discussed besides in connection to VaTech's potential inclusion, and again, this was even before the Wake Forest win.
Shawn wrote at 2/21/2010 11:17:18 AMWhy are Cincy's wins over Vandy and Maryland better than VaTech's wins over Clemson and Wake Forest? Clemson is the same seed line as Maryland, and Vandy is a better team than Wake Forest, but its very close. Wins and losses absolutely come into play, why do you think they display things like "W-L versus RPI top 50" "W-L versus RPI top 100" To say that those aren't considered is ridiculous. So you add in uconn twice, ND and USF, none of whom are in your current bracket, but ignore Seton Hall in the case of Cincinnati versus Virginia Tech, who is in your current bracket, and ignore Miami(FL) who frankly has as impressive of a resume as ND(beat Wake, Georgia Tech and Minnesota compared to ND's one win over WVU). So it seems like VaTech and Cincy have very close resumes, but Cincy is not even on your last 4 in list. As far as Seton Hall is concerned, beating Cincy, Louisville and Pitt is about the same as beating Seton Hall, Wake and Clemson, beating ND is the same as beating Miami(FL), so you have the Cornell win, as the difference, so its a slight edge to Seton Hall, but then you remember that VaTech beat Seton Hall heads up and that when the two teams are close is why you put VaTech in over Seton Hall.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/21/2010 9:53:39 AMThat's all they were discussed for. They were never even brought up for a vote. Just like how I had them not even in the next 8 out before the Wake win and now I have them as 2nd out. It's the same thing. What don't you understand about the fact that conference doesn't matter? Individually, Cincy and SH have better resumes than VT. Cincy's neutral court wins over Vandy and MD are better right there than VT's wins. Then, you add in UConn twice, ND and USF, and only 1 bad loss at St. John's. SH beat Cincy, Louisville and Pitt, which right there is better than VT's wins, and then you add in at Cornell, vs. ND and no bad losses. 21-4, 8-3, and ACC are irrelevant factors that will never come into play. The quality wins and bad losses are the most important factors, followed by the computer #'s.
Shawn wrote at 2/21/2010 8:46:37 AMRyan, the fact remains, you have Seton Hall in and Virginia Tech out, you never actually explain what Seton Hall has done to deserve a bid if the season ended today that Virginia Tech has not done. Also you're wrong about Virginia Tech not being discussed, they were, I quote, "4:50 - The members are debating the merits of Florida State and Virginia Tech. They are focusing on each team's non-conference schedule. Virginia Tech's non-conference schedule was extremely low in the RPI and that causes red flags for a few of the members, including Clark Kellogg of CBS Sports. The Hokies went 13-1 during its non-conference slate. Its biggest win was against Seton Hall, but they did win against teams from power conferences like Iowa, Penn State and Georgia. Virginia Tech is 6-3 in ACC play. Florida State is 5-5 in ACC play." So frankly you're flat our wrong, but you know who really wasn't discussed outside of the context of Virginia Tech beating them, Seton Hall. This was also before they beat Wake Forest, so they were in search of a QW but were still being discussed over Seton Hall or even Cincinnati for that matter. You mention the fact that you don't think the BE will get 9 teams in, but you think the BE would get 9 teams in if the season ended today? The answer is obviously that they won't and they wouldn't if the season ended today. I'm not really sure what possibly reason you could have for having both Seton Hall and Cincy in over Virginia Tech if the season ended today besides some sort of Big East bias.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/20/2010 11:57:13 PMHey, I hope you're right and VT actually wins some quality games down the stretch and gets in. It would make it easier for me. All of the relevant bracketologists other than B101 project what would happen if the season ended today. Why would you want someone to predict the outcome of weeks worth of games? How does that help anyone? What makes you think their predictions would be correct? I can only say what would happen today because I don't know what will happen in the future. And what do you have to say about VT not even being in the discussion, let alone getting an at-large, in the NCAA mock bracket? I'm pretty sure you should trust that over anything else, right? So, believe it or not, if VT doesn't pick up any more quality wins, you're gonna have to deal with them not getting in. Sorry. It's the truth and the mock committee clearly agreed with me.
Chuck wrote at 2/20/2010 11:27:45 PMIts deja vu because VT will make the tournament and you will be one of the last to add them to a bracket. Just because you make some bracket with the additional rule of "our bracket is for what happens now" doesn't make you right. All it does is enable you to do ridiculous shit like give the Big East 9 bids when nobody cares what would happen if the season ended today or 3 weeks ago because it doesn't, it ends a few weeks from now. At the end of the day, you will be wrong and you will be forced to add VT to your bracket, becoming one of the last "bracketologists" to do so.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/20/2010 9:27:44 PMB101 predicts what will happen at the end of the season, so their bracket can't be compared to ours. We project based on the season ending today, which is a totally different animal. A better comparison would be last week's NCAA mock bracket, in which Va Tech was never even really considered for an at-large spot, so I think I would trust that much more than 59 random bracketologists.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/20/2010 8:23:06 PMAnd by the way, I don't "love" any team, as you stated below that another site does. If you "love" a team, then you're not judging teams fairly. I judge every team's resume objectively regardless of the team or the conference or the conference record. I judge resumes based on quality wins, bad losses, and computer numbers, the same factors that the actual selection committee uses. I don't alter my bracket based on "love" for a team or anything like that. It's all objective, just like the selection committee does it. And if anyone does it differently, then they aren't accurately representing the committee.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/20/2010 8:18:52 PMI don''t know why. You''ll have to ask the other 56 people, most of which probably don''t have a clue. I would be happy to have a conversation with anybody about it, and I''ll tell them the same points I''ve been writing on here for weeks now. Your comment below made no arguments as to why VT should be in. Just because somebody else thinks they''re in, does that mean they''re in? We''ll see on Selection Sunday who is right. Maybe VT can win some quality games and we won''t have to have this argument anymore. This is deja vu to me of two years ago when I was one of the only people with Villanova in, and Lunardi and all the other guys had them out the whole way. Everybody told me I''m crazy, and then Lunardi suddenly changed his mind on Selection Sunday five minutes before the bracket came out, three days after Nova had lost in the BE quarterfinals. I don''t mind the criticism. As it is the same every year, the results will be proven on Selection Sunday. Would you rather have me just copy B101 or Lunardi''s bracket and put on here whatever they have? Would that make you happier? Or would you rather see different opinions from different people and let the results be proven on Selection Sunday?
Chuck wrote at 2/20/2010 7:56:49 PMSo explain why you''re one of 3 brackets without VT in it while the other 56 have VT in. Are you the insider with the knowledge and all these other guys are chumps? Bracketology101, the one linked in your Sports Links section, LOVES VT. Go read up on how they''ve been talking VT up for weeks. I know for damn sure your bracket isn''t more accurate than B101 and oh my, they and 55 others have VT in the Dance. You''re on the outside in, looking like a fool right now. People who are better than you and more accurate than you have VT in. You can be a baby about it all you want, the longer you keep VT out, the bigger fool you look. Feel free to strike up a conversation with the B101 guys about VT and they''ll school you on why you''re wrong and they''re right.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/20/2010 2:51:00 PMGonzaga has 6 quality road/neutral wins: Wisconsin, Cincinnati, Memphis, St. Mary''s, Illinois, Portland. Wake has 3: Gonzaga, UNC (if you want to count it), Virginia (if you want to count it). Is that really close? I had Gonzaga 5 spots away from Wake in the last update (Wake was the top 6, Gonzaga was the worst 4), but Wake''s loss to NC State separates the teams some more. I could care less about conferences. I''m not the least bit biased about anything. I actually live in the East.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/20/2010 2:42:39 PMNone of those things you mentioned EVER come up to the selection committee. 21-4=Irrevelant. 8-3 in conference play=Irrelevant. Being in the ACC=Irrelevant. KenPom=Irrelevant. That''s what you don''t seem to understand. None of those factors EVER come up in the selection process. Don''t believe me if you don''t want to but I''m telling you 100% that those are not factors whatsoever. If they were factors, maybe VT would be in the tournament already, but that''s how it works and they are at best right on the cusp right now. They NEED another quality win to get in. If they don''t, they will be out.
YoYo wrote at 2/20/2010 7:08:03 AMWinning at St. Mary''s and Memphis is all you need? Not that impressed, especially when you factor in losses at San Francisco and LMU. Sorry, but you are wrong that the Zags'' resume is clearly better than Wake''s. Wake has a better road win. Wake has a better RPI (15 vs 25 - not really that close). Wake has 4 top-30 RPI wins, Zags have 1. Wake has zero losses to RPI above 100, Zags have 2 losses to RPI above 100 (197 and 208). Wake has SOS of 20, Zags have SOS of 66. Wake beat the Zags on their home floor. Maybe it''s as simple as your an anti-ACC hack?
Chuck wrote at 2/19/2010 11:55:53 PMthere is no way in hell a 21-4, 8-3 and 2nd in the ACC team would be left out. Christ, the only way VT doesn''t make the tournament is if they lose down the road. As of right now, they''re in. There''s 60 brackets on BracketProject right now and you are one of 3 to not have VT in the tournament and 2 of those brackets haven''t been updated since the 15th. There''s 39 brackets that don''t have Cinci in, by the way. Your argument is flawed at best. The committee would never ever leave an 8-3 team from the ACC out if the season was only 11 conference games long. Ever. Ever, ever, ever. They''re 2nd in KenPom''s #1 conference, they''re a freaking mortal lock if the season ended today. Top 50 RPI, top 25 on KenPom, 3 good wins, zero bad losses(Miami is not a bad loss, they''re 83 in RPI while UVA is in the 100s and you said those were decent wins), 2-2 against the top 50, 9-4 against the top 100. You can make up whatever ridiculous rules you want, the point is that better brackets than you have VT in and its not even debatable at this point. Your bracket is one of the few lone misses and sticks out like a sore thumb when you look at BracketProject. Do everyone a favor and leave VT out for your final bracket so it looks even more hilarious when they''re Dancing.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/19/2010 8:20:02 PMLike I said before, Wake beating Gonzaga doesn''t mean much unless the two teams have near identical resumes. And they don''t. Gonzaga''s quality road wins make their resume stronger than Wake''s.
YoYo wrote at 2/19/2010 2:49:07 PMStill wrong on that one. I guess you continue to dismiss Wake winning @ Gonzaga, Wake having a better RPI, and Gonzaga having two recent bad losses to teams down around 200 in the RPI.
Shawn wrote at 2/19/2010 1:12:32 PMVaTech may have a worse SoS, but they also have 6 fewer losses, that''s right 6 fewer, and again they beat Seton Hall, which Cincy did not do. I''m not sure how you come out with 6 QWs for Cincy and only 3 for VaTech, the only way you come out with 6 is if you count ND and uconn as quality wins, and if you''re counting ND and uconn as quality wins, why are you not counting UNC as a quality win? How about Miami(FL)? Neither team will make the tournament if the season ended today, but neither will the QWs you''re counting of ND and uconn if the season ended today. Additionally, uconn is two of Cincy''s top 50 wins, and they''re 48. VaTech has 2 top 50 wins and one that''s at 51, Seton Hall, so you''re telling me that all it would take for VaTech to beat Cincy into the tournament would be for Seton Hall to win and uconn to lose pushing VaTech to 3 top 50 wins and Cincy down to 2 top 50 wins? Thats obviously ridiculous, the real answer is that VaTech should already be in over Cincy and 50 is an arbitrary cutoff that makes Cincy look better than it is, and VaTech look worse than it is in this instance.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/19/2010 11:25:37 AMI don''t do future predictions. This is what would happen if the season ended today. And if the season ended today, Seton Hall would be in the tournament.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/19/2010 11:24:43 AMDo I think there will be 9 BE teams in the NCAA touranment? No. But this is if the season ended today, and right now all 9 deserve to be in over the other bubble teams. The bubble is very weak right now. Cincy has 6 quality wins and only 1 bad loss, and they have 4 top 50 wins, which is more than any other bubble team. Va Tech only has 3 quality wins and has a worse SOS, non-conference slate, and less top 50 wins (2) than any other bubble team. Marquette and Charlotte both have 4 quality wins and have very close resumes, as Marquette is the 3rd team in and Charlotte is 1st out. The small difference comes down to Marquette''s win over Georgetown being the better signature win. One good win or bad loss will put one of those teams over the other. And to correct you, Va Tech has not beaten Maryland. And Cincy is the 5th team in, so they are right there with the other bubble teams. None of those teams have done enough to definitely be in. They all need to get another quality win or two before Selection Sunday.
jimmyslink wrote at 2/19/2010 10:26:34 AMYou have got to be kidding me, do you do any projections at all to what a teams final record is, it looks like they will have one more win before the big east tournament. They clearly have some quality wins but....
Shawn wrote at 2/19/2010 9:30:44 AMSo now please explain how VaTech is one Quality Win away from inclusion but both Marquette and Cincinnati have done enough to warrant them getting in, heck, Seton Hall has done more than Cincinnati and they are on the last four in list while Cincinnati is even more solidly in.
Shawn wrote at 2/19/2010 9:23:15 AMAnother example of this BE swing when the bubble is concerned is Marquette versus Charlotte. Charlotte has wins against Louisville, Richmond and Temple from amongst teams in your bracket. Marquette on the other hand has wins against Georgetown and Xavier amongst teams in your bracket. Temple is in your bracket as a 5 seed, Georgetown as a 5. Richmond is in your bracket as a 7 seed, while Xavier is in your bracket as a 9 seed, so its basically a wash 9 + 3 versus 5 + 7, but Charlotte has a win against 10 seeded Louisville. Additionally, Charlotte's RPI is 51 versus Marquette's 62. Charlotte has one bad loss versus Duquense, the rest of their losses are against teams in your bracket. Marquette on the other hand has losses against NC State and DePaul.
Shawn wrote at 2/19/2010 9:11:28 AMThere is absolutely no way the BE gets 9 teams in the tournament. You have basically put every single bubble team in the BE as a bubble in team, Louisville, Seton Hall, Maquette, Cincy along with the obvious locks of Pitt, WVU, Cuse, Georgetown and Nova. Cincy is 15-10 right now and still has games against WVU, Nova and Georgetown, along with fellow bubble Marquette they'll be lucky to finish 18-12, 9-9 in the BE. I know record isn't that important, but their best and only wins against teams in your bracket are at Vandy and Maryland back in November. But they're in while VaTech,, who has wins over Wake Forest, Clemson and Maryland and is 21-4, is out? What because Cincy plays in the BE and VaTech plays in the ACC? Not to mention the fact that VaTech is 47 in the RPI and Cincy is 50. VaTech also beat Seton Hall, something Cincy was unable to do. I'll continue on the other BE bubble teams in over VaTech(and your other last 8 out in the next post).
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/19/2010 12:19:16 AMTo clear it up, they have 3 quality wins: Seton Hall, Wake Forest and Clemson. The 2 Virginia wins and the UNC win are decent wins. As it stands right now, Miami is a bad loss, not an awful loss, and UNC could become a bad loss if the Heels don't finish strong. The Hokies should root for UNC to get some wins down the stretch.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/19/2010 12:14:57 AMNo, that is incorrect. Va Tech was not even in my last 8 out before the Wake win. I updated the bracket on Tuesday night after they beat Wake and they became the 4th team out. Now, they are the 2nd team out. Like I said before, they are one quality win from getting in. The Wake win proved they are a legitimate contender, now they need one more to get over the top. Two quality wins still isn't great. To dispute your arguments, the fact that they are in the ACC and the fact that they are in the No. 1 RPI conference doesn't really matter. The fact that they have 21 wins certainly doesn't matter at all. Wins are irrelevant when almost half of them came against UMBC, Longwood, Campbell, NC Central, etc. Like I've said over and over again, all that matters is quality wins and bad losses. Right now, they have one bad loss (Miami) and only three quality wins. That is not very impressive compared to most other bubble teams. Also, their computer #'s do not stack up well against other bubble teams. Despite all of this, they are one quality win from being in. And no, Washington is no longer in or even on the bubble after its loss tonight. The Huskies still could get back in the discussion by winning out and making a run in the conference tourney, but that's the only way they get back in the discussion.
Joey wrote at 2/18/2010 11:54:28 PMYour treatment of Virginia Tech makes no sense whatsoever. So, you had them as the fourth team out at the beginning of the week, which is somewhat defensible, they are an interesting case. But then they pick up by far their best win of the season against Wake and they fall a spot lower? I think most people viewed that Wake game as a litmus test for the Hokies and I'd say they passes that one. I think you really over-think this sometimes. If you are truly creating your field based on current results, there is zero chance the second-place team in the ACC would be left out with an 8-3 conference mark in the No. 1 RPI conference and a 21-4 overall record. Seed might be an interesting decision with them, but the second-place team in the ACC with 21 wins is not getting left out. Their non-conference schedule was a joke as always, but they don't have any horrible losses. Losing at Miami and at UNC are their worst losses, but they won't get punished too much for those. Their wins against Wake, Clemson and Seton Hall trump that. And if you're going to use the bracket matrix to defend your weird fondness of a crap Washington team, you'd know that site also has VA Tech as the second-best 10 seed. And that was BEFORE Wake. If you are still giving Washington serious consideration in your next update, I'll give up on you completely.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/18/2010 4:20:25 PMDayton: 33 RPI, 30 SOS, 4 top 50 wins. Va Tech: 43 RPI, 159 SOS, 2 top 50 wins. That says it all right there. It's not even all that close. And I apologize, Va Tech's win over Wake this week would now be its best win. The Hokies need one or two more quality wins to definitely get in. Dayton is one bad loss from possibly being left out.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/18/2010 4:17:59 PMDayton has more quality wins than Virginia Tech. Yes, Va Tech has a good record, but most of their wins have come over teams like Longwood and UMBC. Their best non-conference win was Seton Hall. Their best overall win is Clemson. Losing to St. Louis is not a bad loss, especially on the road in OT. St. Louis is close to being on the bubble. Just because Va Tech is in the ACC and Dayton is in the A-10, it doesn't mean Va Tech is automatically more deserving. Look past the conference affiliation and look at the quality wins. Dayton has a better resume. If it was two months ago, Va Tech wouldn't even be considered and Dayton would be around a 5 seed. If it ends today, Dayton is in and Va Tech is not.
Rick wrote at 2/18/2010 12:52:30 PMYou have Dayton listed as an 8 seed. What have they done up to now to deserve an 8 seed? Did you see them lose to St. Louis? How do you have 6 ACC schools in but you leave Virginia Tech out? This bracket looks like it is from 2 months ago.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/18/2010 11:11:17 AMThis is how the bracket would look today, if I had done one (I will post the next one Thursday night/Friday morning): Last 4 IN- Washington, UAB, Marquette, Cincinnati. Last 4 OUT- Seton Hall, San Diego St, Charlotte, St. Mary's. Next 4 Out- Virginia Tech, Florida, Mississippi St, Wichita St.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/16/2010 12:35:43 AMOK, I understand now what you're saying. The NCAA originally listed Oklahoma City as a Fri/Sun site and Spokane as a Thurs/Sat site, but they swapped the two of them. If you look on other sites that copied the NCAA's original info, they still list it that way. Obviously, it's not a big deal at all and I doubt anyone else really cares about that, but I will switch it on my next update. Thanks.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/16/2010 12:23:11 AMRPI is certainly not everything, but is an important part of the process. What's more important is the quality wins and bad losses. Argue all you want that the RPI is flawed, but is a part of the process, so you have to deal with it. And the committee doesn't care which teams are better than others. The only thing that's important is which team has a better resume. Yes, head-to-head does matter when two teams have almost identical resumes, but that's all. Wake Forest and Gonzaga don't have near identical records. Gonzaga's resume is easily better than Wake, thus head-to-head doesn't matter in that case. There are very few cases where head-to-head matters. I understand your point with Illinois, and that's something that could hurt them if they're on the bubble, like it did for Penn State last year. I use top 50 wins and record vs. top 50 as a part of the process, just like I do with RPI, but like I said, the quality wins and bad losses are much more important than any of the computer numbers. And yes, I did follow the mock selection committee and if you look at their bracket and compare it to my bracket that I had up last Friday, if that was the real thing, I would have had one of, if not the, best brackets of any bracketologist. It's hard to really compare because they made up some conference champs, but of the at-large teams in the field, I only had 3 teams that weren't within 1 seed of the mock bracket.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/16/2010 12:15:50 AMYou are way off on your comments. No, I'm not a Washington grad. Saying no one else is considering them right now is inaccurate since they are one of the first 4 out in the Bracket Matrix that documents something like 50 different bracketologists. I don't really care about what others think, but I'm just saying. Their resume matches up to any other bubble team. They are above .500 in a power conference and have a solid non-conference resume. If any Pac-10 team gets in other than Cal, it's gonna be Washington. Conference teams meeting before the conference final is not a procedural error at all. That rule was changed a couple years ago. Look it up. If there's no other way to arrange things, they are allowed to meet before the conference final but it is to be avoided if possible. With so many conferences getting more than 4 teams in, it's impossible to avoid. Without doing bracketology yourself, it's hard to understand, but there are numerous procedures that have to be followed that make it impossible to avoid. None of them in my bracket would meet before the Sweet 16. The real committee may be better at changing things around to avoid this, but sometimes there's no possible way to avoid it in my bracket. And why wouldn't Kansas play the play-in winner? What does Oklahoma City have to do with it? I don't understand your point. Kansas is the No. 1 overall team in my bracket and therefore would play the play-in winner.
Joey wrote at 2/15/2010 10:31:59 PMFirst, are you a Washington grad? You really seem to be in love with a team that no one else is even considering right now, including the NCAA mock committee. That road win at Stanford really impressed you, huh? You have Missouri-Texas, Syracuse, Cincinnati, Maryland-Georgia Tech and Oklahoma State-Texas A&M all potentially meeting before the regional final. One procedural error in each region. Well done. Sure, in an emergency, conference teams can meet before the regional final, but it sure would never happen four times on one bracket. Get it together, Feldman! Play-in game winner playing Kansas won't happen either, as the only way KU would play the play-in game winner is if the Jayhawks are sent anywhere but Oklahoma City. But as the top overall seed, we all know they would be going to OKC, especially with the Big XII as the host of that site.
Shawn wrote at 2/15/2010 9:56:22 PMRPI is a very misleading statistic though, and factors into the selection committee process a lot less than you give it credit for. If you followed the recent mock selection that was done with a group of sports writers it puts the whole thing in a very good perspective. The thing about RPI is that it rewards you for losses by giving you a better strength of schedule, also away wins count more and home wins count less, its pretty flawed in its analysis of how good a team actually is and the selection committee seems to have really de-emphasized it. Think about it this way, Texas A&M's RPI is 14, do they deserve to be a 3 seed? Texas' RPI puts them on the 7 line by that statistic, neither is very accurate, do you not agree? But look at Texas' wins MSU, Pitt and Texas A&M, that sounds worse than MSU or OSU(again don't forget 3 of OSU's losses were without their star). Also, head to head absolutely matters when cutting the line between two lines, if two teams come out in the voting 6 and 7, the committee will consider their head to head and side with the team that won the head to head, at least what I'm to understand from the mock selection. You mention WVU's numbers but fail to mention the fact that they have just as few wins against teams that are definitely in as MSU or OSU. Remember that Illinois has an RPI of 70, but is a tournament team, something that cuts bad for the Big Ten as far as top 50 wins are concerned.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/15/2010 5:18:21 PMBased on that thinking, should Louisville be seeded ahead of Syracuse since they won at Syracuse on Sunday? All a head-to-head win means is that one team got a win and the other got a loss. Just because you beat someone doesn't mean you have a better overall resume for the season than them. Despite Gonzaga's home loss to Wake, Gonzaga has a better resume than Wake, thus they are seeded higher than them. Gonzaga has more quality wins and certainly more road/neutral quality wins.
YoYo wrote at 2/15/2010 11:43:28 AMThat's just silly. No reason for them to be two lines below Gonzaga considering Wake's win head to head on the Zags' home floor.
02/15/2010 08:38:33.757 AM wrote at 2/15/2010 10:35:54 AMMichigan State only has 2 top 50 wins and 3 wins over definite tournament teams- Wisconsin, Illinois and Gonzaga. That's not very impressive to only have that many quality wins. And their losses to UNC, Texas and Florida don't look so good now. And their 28 RPI isn't great. Ohio State only has a 32 RPI. Both teams will be a 4 if they win their next game. But both have poor computer numbers, which hurts a little bit. Gonzaga has a better RPI than both teams. A big reason for that is because they have 5 quality road/neutral wins alone. Vandy has a 16 RPI and a 4-2 record vs the top 50. Their wins over Miss St, South Car, Florida, Missouri, Arizona and St. Mary's aren't fantastic wins, but they help a little. West Virginia has a 6 RPI, 1 SOS, and 5 top 50 wins. Those are incredible #'s. Other than OSU and Pitt, they beat Louisville, South Fla, Marquette, Seton Hall, Ole Miss, Portland and Texas A&M. Wake Forest does have good computer #'s and a decent resume but their home loss to William & Mary hurts. If they win both road games this week, they will probably move up to a 4 because they're my top 6 seed right now. Evn though Texas is struggling, they still have 5 top 50 wins, including wins over the 3 teams you mentioned. When you compared Wake and Texas, the 3 Texas wins are all better seeded teams right now or at least equivalent than all of Texas's wins, other than Gonzaga. Ole Miss certainly does have a weak resume but the bubble is so weak right now that none of the other teams deserve to be in over them. They are certainly in a free-fall if they don't get a quality win this week. If you look at the last 8 out, almost all of them have very weak resumes right now. One huge win, like Louisville got at Syracuse, will propel any bubble team into the field at this point. Also, based on all of your comments, you're not considering the computer #'s enough. While they aren't everything, they are certainly a part of the process and should always be considered.
Shawn wrote at 2/15/2010 8:38:33 AMWell frankly, both OSU and MSU as low as a 5 seed is ridiculous. So you're saying that if the season ended today Gonzaga is a better seed than MSU or OSU? Based on what? Their head to head loss versus MSU? Yes, I know Gonzaga has 2 less loses, but its hardly fair to compare their romp through the WCC to MSU's run through the Big Ten. 3 of OSU's losses came without Evan Turner, something the selection committee takes into account when seeding. One of MSU's recent losses(at Illinois) came without their star Kalin Lucas(he was hurt versus Wisconsin but they still would have loss, and he was coming off injury versus Purdue but they still would have lost). Also, both MSU and OSU are worse than Vanderbilt? Based on their two wins versus a reeling Tennessee team? WVU is also probably too high, their only wins against tournament level teams are against Pitt at home and OSU at home. They should probably be on the 4 line. Wake Forest is better than a 6 seed, especially if the season ended today, with wins against Xavier, Richmond, Gonzaga and Ga Tech. They should be ranked above Texas, who has wins against Pitt, MSU and Texas A&M. Maybe you should also ask yourself, what has Ole Miss done to deserve an at-large? Their one QW is Kansas State.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/14/2010 11:28:51 PMOne more thing to add to that. Only 2 teams in my entire current at-large field have fewer top 50 wins than Michigan State: California and Ole Miss.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/14/2010 11:27:00 PMI was just watching Lunardi on ESPN and I realized a huge disagreement we have right now. He has Michigan State as a No. 2 seed. I have Michigan State as a No. 5 seed. That's a huge disparity and I don't understand how he could have them as a No. 2. They lost 3 straight games to 3 tournament teams and then barely won at winless Penn State and that moves them up to a No. 2? I don't get it. I don't even have MSU as the best No. 5 seed. I have Ohio State barely ahead of them on that line. A 28 RPI and 2-3 vs the top 50 does not equal a No. 2 seed or really even close to that. Thoughts?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/14/2010 11:21:37 PMCorrection: Washington did move in by default, but Marquette earned a quality win over South Florida.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/14/2010 11:19:44 PMFlorida, St. Mary's and South Florida are out. Louisville, Marquette and Washington are in. Florida's home loss to Xavier after a loss at South Carolina along with their 60 RPI have them 6th out now. The St. Mary's loss to Gonzaga didn't hurt them much, but the loss to Portland sure did. Now, they likely have to win the conference tourney to get in because they won't have another chance for a quality win until Gonzaga in the conference championship game. South Florida was looking good until two straight losses to ND and Marquette put them out of the picture for now. Marquette and Washington moved in by default after so many bubble teams lost. Washington's resume is better than people realize and could make the tourney by finishing 11-7 in the Pac-10. Syracuse's loss doesn't hurt much. Georgetown had a bad loss at Rutgers, but none of the No. 3 seeds were able to propel themselves to a No. 2. That's all I got for now. Any questions or comments?
chase wrote at 2/14/2010 10:40:44 PMim waiting patiently
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/14/2010 1:56:53 PMYes, Louisville is now a tournament team in good shape. Check back late tonight for the update.
chase wrote at 2/14/2010 1:37:34 PMwhat about now? Is louisville in? they just beat #3 in the country syracuse by 6 on the road
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 11:55:21 PMFYI, Maryland is the 5th team in right now. The only change in the teams from the last update is that Maryland is now in and Washington is out. The largest seed increase is Richmond up from a 9 to a 6.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 11:23:07 PMI just wanted to point out that the bubble right now is very weak. Any bubble team that gets one huge win or a road win over another quality opponent, even over a bubble team, will be in good shape. Most of the bubble teams have lost games this week. Any team that is close to the bubble goes on a winning streak down the stretch will be in good shape as well. It should be very interesting down the stretch.
AlexTerp wrote at 2/11/2010 9:36:43 PMI thought I told you to leave my son out of this. You know he has problems but you still have hammered away at him ever since Heather Dinich ran her blog at the Baltimore Sun. Get a life. By the way, Maryland is easily in the tournament as of right now. This guy is a clown.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 9:35:08 PMI don't mind continuing to have this conversation as long as it is civil, but it has to go both ways. I've responded to every single one of your questions/statements, but every time I prove a point or prove one of your arguments wrong, you never respond to that. You just move on to a new argument. I've still never seen any responses about a win in November not being the same as a win in February, how record in last 12 games is relevant, how you figure a loss to Virginia is worse than a loss to Weber State or Sam Houston State, and lastly specifically why Maryland's resume is stronger than UAB and Ole Miss's. Those are the two of the many you mentioned who I believe have significantly better resumes than Maryland. Please break it down in detail and explain me how Maryland's resume is better than both of them. Please only use data that is actually used by the committee. I have no problem answering every question and comment, but if you're going to keep coming back at me, at least respond to my points that prove your points wrong. I like accountability.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 9:24:51 PMI know what the actual difference is. It was a rhetoric question because you tried to claim that Kent State has a better resume than Virginia, which is a ridiculous statement. Kent State could win out and still wouldn't be an at-large, while Virginia could go 5-3 down the stretch and possibly get in. I'm not saying they definitely would, but it's very possible. My point was that they are similar cases in that they both have weak non-conference resumes, yet Virginia has a better non-conference win and a better conference win. I ralize the huge difference in RPI and SOS and the bad losses, and that's why Virginia isn't really on the radar right now. But I was responding to your crazy comment that Kent State has a better chance to be an at-large than Virginia. That was my point.
John wrote at 2/11/2010 9:06:34 PMIf Maryland and Virginia are so similar, how is one the second-to-last team out by your own criteria, yet the other is not even in the last eight out? That's ludicrous.
John wrote at 2/11/2010 9:05:18 PMVirginia has an RPI that is 45 spots lower than Maryland's. It has a SOS that's nearly 60 spots lower than Maryland's. Virginia has three losses against teams outside the RPI top 100; Maryland has none. Virginia has three wins on the road, including none against the RPI top 50; Maryland has four, including one at #44 Florida State. On top of that, Maryland is, as you pointed out, ahead of Virginia by a game in the ACC. And yes, the UAB win is better than Maryland's best non-conference win, but that is literally the ONLY thing Virginia has going for it in a direct comparison. To say that the profiles are similar is an indefensibly stupid opinion that can only be held by someone who doesn't have any idea how the process works and tosses the notion of computer numbers and damaging losses completely out the window, or does understand the process and is trying to incite a reaction. I don't know which group you belong to, and I don't care to stick around here long enough to find out.
Joey wrote at 2/11/2010 9:03:01 PM"What's the difference between Maryland and Virginia? Not too much." LOLOLOLOL Seriously? Oh I don't know ... maybe the THREE losses to sub-100 teams compared to Maryland's NONE (William & Mary right on the edge of that). They lost to Stanford on a neutral court and lost at home to PENN STATE!! Lost at Auburn, too. Maryland's non-conference losses are all to excellent teams teams on neutral courts minus W&M, which isn't a dreadful time like Penn State. Losing on a neutral court to Wisconsin by nine and losing a close game to Villanova isn't going to hurt them. Cincy on a neutral court isn't that bad either.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 8:47:19 PMWhat's the difference between Maryland and Virginia? Not too much. Virginia is one game behind Maryland in the ACC. Virginia has better wins - UAB, Georgia Tech, and at North Carolina. I know UNC is terrible right now and I don't count that too much either, but I'm just saying. A win over UAB in the non-conference is much better than Maryland's non-conference wins. What's Kent State's best win all season long other than its UAB win? Wofford? How would you rather take a team with its second best win over Wofford and losses to Green Bay, Miami OH and Bowling Green, 2 of which were at home, rather than a team with wins over Georgia Tech and at North Carolina as well as UAB?
John wrote at 2/11/2010 8:24:19 PMSo the mock committee's decision vindicates you because it took some time for Maryland to get in, but now that Maryland is in the field with a few spots to spare, the media members just don't know what's up? Come on, man. And for the record, the only reason that Kent State isn't getting at-large consideration right now is because they're leading their conference right now. I'm not saying that they're deserving of an at-large look, but I would almost certainly take them over either Memphis or Virginia at this point.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 8:06:38 PMIt looks like I will have Maryland in after tonight because 4 of the other 5 teams in the last 6 out have already lost today or yesterday and Mississippi State could lose to Ole Miss. And in the last 4 in, Florida lost, Washington is looking like it will lose to Cal, and St. Mary's has a tough game at Gonzaga later tonight. So that's good news for all of you Maryland fans out there!
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 7:46:54 PMYes, that would be correct. I kind of figured they would be in considering the mock committee is made up media members, some of which are the same media members who all but me have Maryland in right now. I'm not saying that I know exactly what the real committee would do right now, but they don't either. The only reason their mock bracket may be more realistic is because they actually mocked the entire real process, but that doesn't mean that they, nor do I, know exactly what the committee will do in reality. We'll see how my bracket looks in a few hours. My guess is Maryland will still be out until they play this weekend and either pick up a huge win at Duke or lose at Duke and remain out. Also, I was just reading something you wrote below. You said that Kent State is not UAB's worst loss. Well then, who is? The only other teams they lost to were Virginia, UTEP and Memphis, all of which are currently on the bubble, while Kent State is not.
John wrote at 2/11/2010 6:59:52 PMWhich would presumably mean that, were those bids not stolen, Maryland would be even further from being one of the last four in, right?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 6:26:43 PMI will post my updated bracket after tonight's games and we can compare it to their bracket when it comes out tomorrow. Also, understand that they chose some different conference champs for the sake of the exercise that could take away a few at-large bids. For example, they chose Wichita State to win the MVC and Iona to win the MAAC.
John wrote at 2/11/2010 5:49:54 PMMaryland just got in without being one of the last four in. Among the teams that have not made the field yet: St. Mary's, Washington, UAB, Mississippi, Cincinnati. Washington hasn't even been in the discussion.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 4:07:38 PMThe NCAA is doing a mock selection process as we speak. For you Maryland backers who think they are easily in, they are down to 7 teams left to be selected as at-large teams, and Maryland has not been chosen yet. If they get in, they will be one of the last 7 in. http://www.ncaa.com/blog/200910d1mensbasketball/
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 3:42:48 PMIn the post below, it should say: "Do you really think that a loss to Virginia is worse than a loss to Sam Houston State or Weber State? If you really believe that, then you're NOT understanding the process."
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 3:29:55 PMThe reason is because I've been doing this a long time and I understand how the committee thinks. There's a reason I've been pretty successful at this over the years. Losing to an above .500 Pac-10 team that is one game back from first place in a BCS conference is not nearly as bad of a loss as losing to a 15-8 Big Sky team. Do you really think that a loss to Virginia is worse than a loss to Sam Houston State or Weber State? If you really believe that, then you're understanding the process. RPI is one of many components of the selection process. Stop focusing so much on the RPI because the committee does not focus on it very much. You don't have to believe me if you really think RPI is all that matters, but I'm just letting you know that the committee doesn't use it that much.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 3:25:34 PMChief, you're not understanding what I'm saying and that's fine because it's tough to understand the selection process if you don't already understand it. Record means nothing. It's your quality wins compared to your bad losses. Who has better wins? Who has worse losses? Who has more quality road/neutral wins? Etc. The fact that they are 6-2 in the ACC and 16-6 overall doesn't mean anything. Va Tech is 6-3 in the ACC and 19-4 overall and is nowhere close to Maryland in terms of the bubble. Right now, they have a certain amount of quality wins. If they beat Ga Tech, Clemson and Virginia, that's three more quality wins. Ga Tech is a very good win, Clemson is a pretty good win, and Virginia is an OK win. If they lose to NC State, that would be a bad loss, so it would basically negate a quality win. They can't afford to lose to NC State. It doesn't matter that they are on pace to go 12-4. I don't predict the future. But I'm saying that if they go 10-6, I know that will include a few more quality wins, which is why they would get in. Not because they're 10-6, but because they would have a few more quality wins. I hope that helps you understand a little. Record is irrelevant. Who you beat is extremely relevant. If a team has a chance to get an at-large bid, that's a quality win.
John wrote at 2/11/2010 3:21:26 PMUCLA has lost to four teams rated below 145 in the RPI. I'll give you that SOS is a large part of the RPI, but Weber's RPI is about 50 points better than UCLA's despite having a SOS that's about 100 spots worse. Somehow, I don't see Weber's SOS doing much to help them. You're right, the RPI isn't everything, but when it comes to determining a good or bad loss, the committee doesn't have any other way to come up with a standardized way of determining what is or is not a good win or loss. In doing a lot of these projections, you seem to have completely tossed out any sort of objective notion of what makes a win or loss good or bad. I mean, come on - you said UCLA is a better loss than Weber State because it's "just how it is." How can anybody reasonably accept an explanation from anyone who, in trying to say that an accepted method of determining the relative quality of an opponent is bunk, defends his opinion by just saying to trust them?
Chief wrote at 2/11/2010 3:15:38 PMVirginia Tech is one of only a handful of ACC teams to not get in with a winning record. They were also only 2 games above .500 in conference and had a winning percentage of .556. As of today Maryland is 4 games above .500 in conference and have a winning percentage of .750. Btw they are 4-0 in conference at home with a winning margin of 19 points. Your comment regarding Maryland getting in with 10 ACC wins is even more confusing. Today they are on pace to be 12-4 in conference and you don't have them in, but if they go 4 and 4 the rest of the way they would be in according to you. 4 and 4 could include wins at NC State and Georgia Tech, Clemson, Virginia at home. None would be high quality wins but according to you that would get them in, but if the season ends today they would not be in. That makes no sense.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 3:00:39 PMOne thing I wanted to correct you guys on is what a bad loss is. RPI is only one component of the process. The RPI isn't everything. Just because a team has a bad RPI doesn't necessarily make them a bad loss. For example, Murray State's RPI is 87 and Virginia is 88. Those are not bad losses. Murray State is 20-3, 13-0 in the OVC, and has zero bad losses all season long. Virginia is very much on the bubble as a 5-3 ACC team. Maryland is one game ahead of them and is about a dozen teams ahead of Virginia in the bubble race. Losing to Virginia (88) and Murray State (87) are not bad losses. But losing to Sam Houston State (77 RPI) and Weber State (84 RPI) are bad losses. A large part of the RPI is SOS, and just because you play a strong non-conference schedule it doesn't mean you're a good team and deserving of making the tournament if you can't beat any of those teams. You need a signature win, which is what Maryland and many other teams are lacking. UCLA is 50 or 60 RPI spots below Weber State, but Weber State is a much worse loss on your resume than UCLA. That's just how it is. RPI isn't everything. I hope some of you guys can understand what I'm saying here.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 1:34:44 PMMatt, I agree with your assessment of the A-10, but I project the bracket based on today, so I can't predict what will happen even if I agree with you. Same with Maryland. If they win 10 games in the ACC, I'm pretty confident they will get in, but right now they don't have enough quality wins. If they win 10 ACC games, they will get 3 or 4 more quality wins, but right now they don't have enough. I just don't predict the future. I only base it on right now. Will Maryland end up with more quality wins and a better resume than Washington? Probably. But I don't do that. And you're right with the Penn State RPI. It wasn't 25 lower, I think it was around 63. But they made up for that with much better wins than Maryland has, including some huge road wins, so it's still a relevant comparison to a point. And record itself is virtually irrelevant to the committee. It's about the wins and losses individually. A team could be five games worse but have better wins and get in. It happens every year. Look at Arizona last year. Not a good overall or conference record but quality wins all over the board. Two years ago, Virginia Tech finished 9-7 in the ACC and won a game in the ACC tournament, but still didn't get in. So, there goes whoever it was below's argument that finishing above .500 in the ACC gets you in by itself.
BklynTerp wrote at 2/11/2010 10:31:53 AMNo MD = gigantic fail on your part. Pathetic that clueless folk like you even bother trying to do this stuff. Gary Williams pisses all over your "projections".
John wrote at 2/11/2010 10:22:22 AMPenn State had an RPI 25 slots lower than Maryland as well as a SOS that was 45 spots lower. The statement to Penn State wasn't that you have to win big games in the non-conference: it was that you have to challenge yourself in the non-conference slate. And if Washington losing to #132 and #145 in the RPI aren't considered bad losses in your book, I just simply do not know what to say.
Matt wrote at 2/11/2010 10:02:12 AMI would respect your decision of leaving them out more if you truly believed they are going to stumble down the stretch and finish close to .500 in conference play. Then I would pay attention to all those other stats you threw out. But based on the way they're playing right now, there is 0 evidence of that and they are headed for a minimum of 10 wins in the conference
Matt wrote at 2/11/2010 9:59:26 AMLooks like I started a worldwind of comments regarding MD. You can give us all the #'s you want supporting your argument of leaving MD out, but none of them would mean anything if the selection committie was making a bracket today. You can't overlook 6-2 in the ACC which is tied for 1st in the loss column. That alone will get you in, unless you had an absoulute disastrous OOC play. But the bottom line is they're 16-6 overall and regardles of who they did or did not beat OOC, or what their RPI is, that would get them in, plan and simple. I think you are overthinking this way too much in terms of different rankings and who beat who. The ACC may not be as dominant as in years past, but there are still 12 quality teams that can't beat most teams in the country on any given day, so to overlook what they're doing in conference play is a little ridiculous. The committee looks at what teams do in conference just as much as all the other factors you gave us, and right now that alone gives them the nod. About the A-10 vs. ACC, I will say it again "There is no way the A-10 gets more bids than the ACC" You can talk all you want about what teams are doing right now, it won't matter in 4 weeks. Eventually those A-10 teams will eliminate each other leaving at the absolute very most.......4 teams to get in. The ACC will have an absolute bear minimum of 5 teams in, with a more accurate prediciton of 6 or 7. Please refer back to this comment on Selection Sunday.........thank you
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 9:52:37 AMChief: Yes, I am aware of this. I feel very strongly, though, that they would be right on the bubble like I have them if the season ended today. They had four chances in the non-conference to pick up a quality win and they lost all of them. Their home loss to W&M is more of a negative than a win over Indiana is a positive. Sure, they don't have any terrible losses, but if they were to go 12-0 against Indiana in the non-conference, does that make them a tournament team? They have to make up for a bad non-conference slate with a high quality win or two or a bunch of decent quality wins, and they haven't yet done that.
Chief wrote at 2/11/2010 3:32:53 AMOut of 58 bracket projections tracked you are the only one that has the Terps out. http://bracketproject.50webs.com they /matrix.htm Maryland might go into a slump, especially with 4 conference games in 8 days starting Saturday, but to say that they are out as of now is way off. They are 9 in the country in the Pomeroy rating. http://kenpom.com/rate.php Maryland is 6-2 in conference and not many teams with a winning conference record in the ACC have not made the NCAAs since the field was expanded to 64/65. In addition, while Maryland's non-conference resume is not impressive, they also do not have a terrible non-conference loss either.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 2:39:17 AMAs far as the mistakes, Lunardi and everyone else makes those mistakes from time to time as well. They really don't affect anything. I just have to figure out how to switch teams on the same lines to different regions without violating any of the guidelines. Also, I've received this outrage from readers many times in the past right before Selection Sunday and I believe in my system and stick by it because of consistent success. Two years ago, everybody told me I was crazy for having Villanova in when they were on the bubble, but I had them in the field all along while almost every other bracketologist, including Lunardi (up until 5 minutes before the bracket was revealed on Selection Sunday), had them out all along. So, I'm not worried about the outrage from people. When a team deserves to be in, I will put them in. Things change from day to day.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 2:31:37 AMAlso, because of the change in guidelines that eliminated the use of the record in the last 12 games, the committee now considers a win in November the same as a win in February or March. Every game is weighted equally now, regardless of when it was played. They wanted to find a way to reward teams for playing quality non-conference schedules.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 2:29:57 AMJohn, I have to stop you right at the top. Please don't criticize me if you don't actually know the guidelines. A team's record in the last 12 games is not considered at all anymore. That changed after last season. It's no longer part of the process. Go ahead and look it up if you don't believe me. I never said Washington has a way better resume than Maryland. Maryland is the second team out and Washington is the last team in. I said that Washington has a significantly better non-conference resume, which is why they are slightly ahead of Maryland. They have similar RPIs, wins vs top 50, and lack of road/neutral wins. All of those things are similar, but the non-conference resumes are what separates them. And they're still only two teams apart, which is not much. And I don't just throw things at the wall and see what sticks. I have a strict system that I use and I spend hours analyzing all of the data for every team every time I post a new bracket. The mistakes you mentioned are when I had BYU in a certain region and had two teams facing each other in the first round who already played. Those are the very last things that a bracketologist checks and aren't very relevant. Nobody is going to predict a perfect bracket. Readers want to see the seeds, not necessarily who I have them playing, because the matchups are so tough to predict but the seeds are what is important, as well as following the major guidelines to make it a realistic bracket. Also, none of those teams you mentioned in your post are bad losses. Some of them are worse losses than others, but none are considered bad losses. So, when teams don't have any bad losses, it comes down to quality wins. And as I stated below, Washington has more quality wins overall than Maryland because of the difference in non-conference resumes. As an example, Penn State failed to get any quality non-conference wins last season but finished above .500 in the Big Ten with two road wins over the two best teams in the conference, and PSU still didn't make it in because of a weak non-conference resume.
John wrote at 2/11/2010 2:00:51 AMFirst off, a win in November is NOT the same as a win in February. It's why teams that go on runs to win conference tournaments end up getting a bump in the seeding, and why the committee uses record in the last 12 as part of its criteria. To treat a win in November the same is fundamentally wrong, because teams can be playing radically different. Secondly, you still haven't explained to me how Washington has a much better resume. You keep saying that Maryland has issues in its profile for having not won anything of note on the road, but Washington HAS NOT WON ON THE ROAD AT ALL. 4-5 isn't much to write home about, I'll give you. But 0-6? Come on. That is such a pox on their profile that the increased quality of their couple of top 50 wins is offset. Washington then also has, as I mentioned, five losses that are worse than Maryland's worse loss. William & Mary may not be as sexy of a name as USC or Arizona, but the numbers don't lie - at #55, it is a better loss than Washington's loss to #70 Arizona. Even if you want to argue that the William & Mary loss being at home makes it worse, it doesn't excuse Washington's AWFUL loss - at home - to #145 Oregon. As far as St. Mary's and UAB go, the BYU and Northern Iowa comparisons are flawed because they have something that the other two don't, namely really gaudy RPIs. I also fail to see UAB's second "solid win" - do you mean the win over Cincinnati? Because right now, both the RPI and your bracket say that Florida State - who Maryland has beaten twice - is a better win than beating Cincinnati. If you want to say that beating Cincinnati counts as "solid," that's fine, but don't in the same breath say that beating Florida State twice, including once outside of Maryland's home building, is a win over a "mediocre" team. Be consistent. I've got the same basic problem with Ole Miss. You say they have no bad losses, but they've lost games at home to Mississippi State and Arkansas, who are both lower-rated teams than William & Mary, Maryland's worst loss. You also say that they've got a better RPI, but you give Washington credit for having a similar RPI to Maryland. Washington's got an RPI of 53, Maryland an RPI of 45 and Ole Miss an RPI of 39. How is Ole Miss' computer profile so much better, but Washington's is similar? Even going off of the older numbers that you posted, Ole Miss is not so much further ahead that you can't call the RPIs similar if you're going to call Washington's similar. The fact is that right now, you're basically just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. You're punishing teams for losing to teams that aren't as bad as you think they are, not punishing teams for losing to teams that are worse than you think they are (Kent State is UAB's worst loss? You might want to check that again), and giving greatly differing amounts of credit for beating different teams based on criteria that nobody can decipher. On top of that, you don't seem to understand how the committee does what it does (I didn't even mention the fact that on at least three different occasions, you broke the NCAA's bracketing principles), and that goes beyond my belief that Maryland should be in the field. I'm no expert, I'll give you that. The difference is that I realize that I also don't claim to be an expert when I'm clearly not one.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 12:33:15 AMLastly, the thing that is hurting Maryland most is its non-conference resume. The Terps didn't beat a single quality team, while they had the opportunity to do so against 4 teams, including William & Mary at home. Maryland's best non-conference win was over who, Indiana? Every single bubble team, including every team you guys mentioned below, have significantly better non-conference resumes than Maryland. It's not even close. The committee wants to see what you've done against non-conference teams and in your conference. Sure, Maryland has beaten some mediocre ACC teams but they haven't beaten any high quality teams, they haven't won on the road, and they haven't beaten any non-conference quality teams. That does not equal a tournament team right now. Tell me where that assessment is wrong.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 12:29:00 AMThat's all the info below. Maryland doesn't have more quality wins than any of those teams and they only have more quality road/neutral wins than Washington, who has 2 more quality wins overall and a similar RPI and better SOS and the same top 50 wins. While St. Mary's and UAB may have weak schedules, they have taken care of business, much like BYU and Northern Iowa, who also have terrific overall and conference records but haven't beaten many quality teams. UAB has a much better RPI than Maryland and has two solid wins, including one over a top 20 team. Ole Miss has no bad losses, a better RPI, and a neutral win over KSU. It doesn't matter when it was. The committee looks at resumes as a whole. A win in November is equal to a win in February. Maryland hasn't beaten any high quality teams, especially away from home. They need a win over Duke or a couple solid road wins over teams like Clemson, Wake, etc. I have them as the second team out right now, so it's not like they aren't right there. There are many teams with similar resumes right now and it will come down to which teams separate themselves with quality wins, especially on the road, and no bad losses down the stretch.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/11/2010 12:23:22 AMOkay Maryland backers, here we go..... 46 RPI, 46 SOS, 2-4 vs top 50. Best win- vs FSU. Best road/neutral win- at FSU. # of quality road/neutral wins = 1. Worst loss- home vs William & Mary. Quality wins = 4 (zero in non-conference), bad losses = 0. Let's see which teams you guys mentioned..... Washington: 51 RPI, 42 SOS, 2-2 vs top 50. Best win- vs Cal or Texas A&M. Best road/neutral win- None. # of quality road/neutral wins = 0. Worst loss- at UCLA/Arizona/Texas Tech (whichever you think is worse, but none are horrible road losses). Quality wins = 6, bad losses = 0. ...... St. Mary's: 45 RPI, 131 SOS, 1-2 vs top 50. Best win- vs San Diego St. Best road/neutral win- at Oregon. # of quality road/neutral wins = 2. Worst loss = at USC. Quality wins = 4, bad losses = 0. .... UAB: Really not even close to the bubble, 30 RPI, 102 SOS, 1-0 vs top 50. 1 bad loss at Kent State, only other losses at Virginia and Memphis and vs UTEP. 4 quality wins. Best wins vs Cincy and Butler. ..... Cincinnati: 53 RPI, 16 SOS, 3-6 vs top 50. 1 bad loss at St. John's. 6 quality wins, including neutral court wins over Maryland and Vanderbilt. Ole Miss: 38 RPI, 55 SOS, 1-4 vs top 50. No bad losses. 4 quality wins. Neutral court win over Kansas State...... To the first guy, I never had 4 CAA teams in. The most I ever had was 2. William & Mary was a borderline top 25 team at one point after beating Maryland at Maryland. They have been bad in CAA play, so they aren't on the bubble anymore. Old Dominion, on the other hand, is looking like a solid at-large right now but they could fall off with a bad loss or two.
Fredterp444 wrote at 2/10/2010 11:34:33 PMMaryland is 6-2 in the ACC. This is TIED for FIRST PLACE in the loss column. I am highly amused that you even think Maryland is ON THE BUBBLE let alone out of the tournament. You are OUT ON A LIMB if you think the Terps are not currently worthy of a bid. My successful SON who is a CEO for a FORTUNE 500 company is also an amateur BRACKETOLOGIST in his spare time and he ASSURES me that the TERPS are COMFORTABLY in the field if the season ended TODAY. The biggest reason: TEAMWORK. Are you by any chance related to ALEXTERP?
John wrote at 2/10/2010 11:34:21 PMObviously Maryland has a flawed profile, but some of the other teams you have in over them are absurd. Washington? You criticize Maryland for having only one quality road win, but Washington has no wins at ALL outside of Seattle, in addition to a worse computer profile and FIVE losses worse than Maryland's worst loss, and two of Washington's losses were sub-100 losses. St. Mary's? They've played one of the worst schedules of any of the at-large candidates, and also have only one quality road win, and just two wins against the RPI top 50. UAB? They've played only ONE game against top-50 competition as part of one of the softest schedules among the at-large contenders. Cincinnati? Bad RPI, and their only good wins away from home were back in November. On top of that, 5-9 against the top 100 is nothing to write home about whatsoever. Ole Miss? If 2-4 against the top 50 doesn't cut it, how does Ole Miss' 1-4? The Rebels also own a sub-100 loss, which Maryland does not. I understand Ole Miss' best win is better than Maryland's, but again, that was in November. What has Ole Miss done since then? I understand that Maryland is no lock to make the tournament, especially at this point, but really? Not even in the field right now, with these teams in their place? Come on.
Joey wrote at 2/10/2010 11:03:17 PMLOL at you if you think Maryland would be out of the field. They would be an 8 or 9 seed right now and comfortably in. There are probably 15 teams below them in the pecking order right now. They could lose their next two games and still be in the field relatively easily. This is the worst bracket I have ever seen. Though at least you don't have four CAA teams anymore. Change of heart on William & Mary, huh? LOL. I'll make sure to check this throughout the year just to laugh at how horrible a bracketologist you are and I will be interested to see how off you are on Selection Sunday.
Nick wrote at 2/10/2010 2:59:12 PMMizzou and Illinois probably won't play again, if Mizzou makes the tourney at all.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/9/2010 2:32:44 PMThat 31st ranking you're looking at was our preseason previews. Maryland only has 1 quality road win, over FSU. They lost at home to William & Mary. Other than that, they haven't done anything spectacular other than beat some mediocre or bad teams. They are very close to being in, but their 47 RPI and 2-4 record vs. the top 50 doesn't get it done. Yes, if they finish 11-5 in the ACC, they will get in because that would mean they pick up a few more quality wins. They have three tough road games left and they need to win at least one of them. They also can't lose to NC State. And the A-10 vs. ACC argument is irrelevant. When I or the selection committee evaluate the teams, the conference has nothing to do with it. If you want to tell me why an ACC team has a better resume than an A-10 team, go ahead and I'll have that argument with you. But it doesn't work to just say that the ACC should get more teams than the A-10. Richmond, Xavier and Dayton all have better resumes right now than Maryland.
Matt wrote at 2/9/2010 8:01:20 AMHow do you not have a MD team that is 6-2 in the ACC. You have them as the 31st best team in the country, but not in the tourney?? They're not just beating teams at home, they're destroying them. It is a very likely possibility that they go at least 11-5 in conference play. No way in hell does that not get them in. There's also no way in hell the A-10 gets more teams than the ACC. Whether the ACC is down or not, the A-10 won't have more teams come Selection Sunday.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/8/2010 5:09:31 PMIt's hard to say because it depends what other bubble teams do. A win over St. John's isn't a quality win, so it doesn't help much. It's unlikely that I'll have them in after that but it's possible. They need a quality win desperately.
chase wrote at 2/8/2010 3:30:16 PMwill you have louisiville in if they beat st. john on the road?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/7/2010 11:55:32 PMThat was last week. Seton Hall is in trouble now at 3-7 in the Big East. They need a lot of help. Louisville is very close but needs one more quality win. A pair of wins this week over St. John's and Syracuse would get them in and keep them there for a while. Even just beating St. John's might get them in, although it probably won't. Wins over DePaul and St. John's and going 2-1 against Notre Dame, UConn and Marquette may be enough to get them in. Adding in one win out of three games against Syracuse (x2) and Georgetown will definitely get them in.
Chase wrote at 2/7/2010 8:05:36 PMlouisville might not have quality wins besides cincinnatti and south florida but it shows 9 teams from big east in and not louisivlle. seton hall is in and seton hall is 12-9 now thats crazy
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/7/2010 11:44:46 AMNo team has gotten an at-large bid without beating a tournament team, and no team will. Cornell will not get an at-large bid. But if they finish 14-0 in the conference, they will be seeded among the at-large teams. The only way they could be considered for an at-large spot would obviously be if they didn't win the conference. And the only way they wouldn't would win the conference is if they lose a game. And if they lose a game to an Ivy team, it's going to drop them significantly. Understand? If the season ended today, they'd be 6-0. If they finish 14-0 and actually finish the job, that's much different. Plenty of teams have won six games in a row, but how many teams have won 14 in a row and finished undefeated in their conference? There's a huge difference.
JP wrote at 2/7/2010 10:05:26 AMYou still aren't seeing the whole point of my comments. I'm sure you will move them up in seeding if they run the table; I'm just pointing out that doing so will be inconsistent with all the reasons you have given for why you have them seed where they are now. "Total record means nothing" - your words, so running the table shouldn't improve anything "no team has ever gotten an at-large without beating another tournament team" - your words, and nothing that will be different between now and at the end of the year RPI/SOS will only get worse (I know you think that if they win out their rpi will improve, but maybe you should do a refresher on how the rpi is calculated - after their two wins this weekend they have nearly dropped out of the top 50) My only point is that is that if you truly were using the factors you claim, and were doing this "if the season ended today", then they should either be ranked higher now or shouldn't climb up as none of the factors you claim to use improve/ and in fact several deteriorate. Anyway, I've already spent too much time on this; I will leave you to be.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/6/2010 11:33:02 PMI'm not necessarily trying to say that the coaches don't know anything. I'm making the point that the polls and the selection committee are two very different animals. For example, UConn was ranked last week as #21. UConn isn't even a tournament team right now or at best a bubble team. But they are the 21st best team in the country? Absolutely not. Maybe the coaches believe so, but their resume is not the 21st best resume in the country. Cornell is ranked 25th this week, but they don't have the 25th best resume right now. Also, BYU is ranked 12th in both polls and New Mexico is only 23rd in the coaches poll. New Mexico definitely has a better resume than BYU, even before today's games, but somehow BYU is ranked 11 spots higher by the coaches. This makes no sense. These are examples of how the polls do not accurately reflect the seeding. Alod, RPI is not the only factor in seeding. It is only one component. If Cornell wins out and finishes 28-3 overall and 14-0 in the conference, trust me that they will be seeded higher than they are now. I know that I will and everyone else will seed them higher. It's about the total resume, and although they wouldn't have any great wins, like you said they wouldn't have any bad losses, and they would have proved they are legit by beating almost every team on their schedule. But one loss will really hurt them against an Ivy League team. They likely won't be able to get an at-large bid because that one loss that would lose them the league would really hurt, but running the table and finishing 27-3 (14-0) with their decent non-conference resume would be impressive enough to give them a better seed than a 12. It's hard to really explain everything, but I'm extremely confident that will happen.
JP wrote at 2/6/2010 11:10:56 PMI understand the components of the RPI...but maybe I'm off on the math. I thought that generally, 50% was your opponents record with 25% your record and the other 25% your opponenets-opponents record. If that is the case I see no way Cornell's RPI doesn't fade through the Ivy schedule (especially given 2 games against a 3-15 Penn plus one more game against 3-15 Dartmouth). Since the whole idea is ranking teams as they are today, I will be very interested in seeing why you rank Cornell higher (as high as an 8 if they win out from you past post). If at the end of the season, their RPI is in the high 40's low 50's, having still not beaten a tournament team will you rank them above at large teams? You stated before that they would not be ranked above at-larges with better profiles, so how is an 8/9/10 even possible? I'll be interested in watching that process and how it compares with you seeding now. With regard to the polls, the only reason I brought it up is that I would be suprised if a team has ever been ranked in the top 25 and seeded below 10. It's not that polls impact seeding, just that I imagine the coaches polls and the seedings have never been as far apart as you project. Just an interesting historical comparison. Also, I can't imagine the AD's and administrators on the committee watch more basketball than the coaches. Sure the coaches don't see most teams play, but do you think the AD's/Administrators do?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/2/2010 9:29:26 AMRPI is a combination of a team's record, its opponents' records, and its opponents' opponents' records. Their RPI has a good chance of improving for two reasons: If they win out, their RPI will improve. If their major conference opponents win games, their RPI will get better. And RPI isn't the only factor used for the selection process. It does hurt that they won't be facing any tournament teams, but another win over Harvard helps and any road wins they can get will help as well. If they finish 27-3 or something like that, trust me. Their resume will be improved and they will move up in the seeding. And yes, I am telling you that coaches are not involved in the selection process and do not rank teams based on resumes. Most of these coaches, just like the beat writers, don't see most teams play. Why do you think UConn was ranked last week when they are a bubble team right now? Rankings are totally irrelevant. Being ranked doesn't make a team get a better seed.
JP wrote at 2/2/2010 1:48:33 AMRyan: I guess you need to understand then, I said the coaches poll. You know the one made up by ncaa coaches. I hope you're not suggesting that they have no idea how the selection process works??? I know that the polls are not a factor, I just asked a basic question. What is the most that the coaches opinion of a team differed so greatly from the Administrators and AD's in the selection commitee. I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing you're predicting something fairly unprecendented. Also I'm not talking about where they end up, but where you have them at this point, I completely understand that. I'm sure you will move them up over time, but why would you. It is unlikely any of their measurables will do anything but get worse from here on out playing the ivy schedule; they still likely will not have beaten a team in the tournament (barring suprising runs by St. Johns or Alabama), their RPI will likely drop, SOS will drop, 0 top 50 wins.... So for all the reasons you stated last week, why would you move them up past at-large teams even if they continue winning???
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/1/2010 6:07:06 PMJP: First of all, you have to understand that Top 25 rankings are not part of the selection process at all. They are never even brought up or discussed, so that is totally irrelevant. The large majority of Top 25 voters have no idea how the selection process works and which teams really have the best resumes. Most voters are just beat writers for certain teams and don't really understand the selection process and they don't base their rankings on that anyway. The Top 25 is irrelevant. And also, please understand that Cornell will get a much better seed in the NCAA tournament if it continues to win. If the Big Red finish 14-0 or 13-1 in the Ivy, which I anticipate they will, they will get a much better seed. I don't want to speculate, but I'm guessing it will be closer to an 8. But my bracket, as well as Lunardi's and other top bracketologists, is not a prediction of what WILL happen. It's a projection of what WOULD happen if the season ended today. With a 4-0 conference record and its resume as it stands, Cornell would be around a 12 seed. That's what would happen today. But what will happen on Selection Sunday? Who knows? If they are 14-0, like I said, their seed will be much better. But I'm not in the business of predicting the outcomes of games. I'm in the business of projecting the bracket as everything stands right now, and that's what this is.
JP wrote at 2/1/2010 4:01:50 PMSo what is the worst seed ever given to a team in the top 25 of the coaches poll?
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/1/2010 3:07:18 PMThe guidelines that have to be followed that supersede the point below are that the first three teams from a conference must be placed in different regions and that teams that played during the season can't meet in the first round. After that, the next guideline to follow is to try to place teams from the same conference as far apart from each other as possible. Teams from the same conference will never meet in the second round (unless there are more than 8 teams in from the same conference, then it could happen) but they certainly can meet now in the Sweet 16.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 2/1/2010 3:04:25 PMThat is not true at all. That was true up until a couple years ago, but the guidelines were changed by the NCAA to allow teams from the same conference to meet before the regional final if there's no other way to correct things. While it is supposed to be avoided if at all possible, it is allowed to happen and did happen if you look at last year's bracket. Because of other guidelines when certain conferences have 6 or 7 or 8 teams in, there's no other way to avoid it.
88wildcat wrote at 2/1/2010 11:28:11 AMYour St. Louis bracket doesn't work. You can't put both Kansas St. and Missouri on one side of the bracket. Teams from the same conference can not play each other before the regional final (Elite 8). Your scenario would put Kansas St. and Missouri on a path to meet each other in the Sweet 16.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 1/25/2010 5:35:53 PMSorry, but losing doesn't count for much, even if it's by one point. You have to actually win games against quality opponents to be a tournament team. Cornell may not have any bad losses, but they haven't beaten anyone in the tournament right now. Show me an at-large team in the history of the selection committee that has received a bid without having any wins at all against other at-large teams. I'd be interested to see if you found one, but I can tell you now that you won't. Unfortunately, the reality is that Cornell is in the Ivy and they would have to have a ridiculous non-conference resume to get an at-large bid from that conference. Show me one team in history that has ever received an at-large bid from the Ivy League. I'm not here to tell you what I think the bracket should like. I'm here to tell you what the bracket would look like if the season ended today. A 40 RPI, 136 SOS, and zero top 50 wins doesn't equal an at-large bid. If Cornell had beaten Kansas, it would be a different story, but they didn't. Putting up a fight is nice and could be a tie-breaker, but you have to win quality games to get in the tournament. Siena has a better RPI and SOS than Cornell, and is undefeated in a better conference than the Ivy (10-0). Neither team has a strong enough resume to make the tournament without winning their conference, but both resumes are very similar. Siena's better RPI and SOS are evened out by Cornell's non-conference road wins. No bad losses is great, but no quality wins is not good. Break down any at-large team's resume and explain to me how Cornell's resume is stronger. Simply telling me I'm an idiot or something doesn't justify whey Cornell's resume is worthy and why the selection committee would think their resume is worthy.
altosax29b wrote at 1/25/2010 3:00:04 PMHow about NO bad losses, Seton Hall is on a straight path to being a tournament AND a Top 50 team, and losing AT Kansas by 5 leading most of the game? Oh yeah, the wins against Alabama and St. John's were both on the road. Haven't gotten beaten by more than 15 points with Syracuse and Kansas on the schedule. And Siena over Cornell? Really? Get a clue.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 1/25/2010 11:56:43 AMFirst of all, Siena is a 12. Old Dominion and W&M are at-large teams, while Cornell is not, so they get a higher seed. I have Siena and Cornell right next to each other, almost even, with Siena getting the slightest of edges. Cornell has zero wins vs. the top 50. That's why they are not an at-large team. Their best wins all season are over Alabama and St. John's. They have no wins at all against current at-large teams. Why would Cornell be ahead of Old Dominion and W&M, teams that have much better resumes? It's really not even that close. Total record means nothing. It's about who you beat and who you lost to. In SOS, Cornell isn't even close to W&M and ODU. In RPI, they are similar. Cornell has a worse RPI and SOS than those two teams and Siena except for their RPI compared to ODU. Those other ratings you mentioned are absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the selection committee. Sagarin ratings and Pomeroy rankings don't get brought into the room. So I don't know what your argument is here. Please explain to me how Cornell would be an at-large team over those other teams. "A quick look" as you mentioned is not how bracketology is done. It's a long, detailed process to break down which teams have better resumes and Cornell's resume doesn't compare with those other teams, therefore they are not an at-large team.
JP wrote at 1/24/2010 9:16:41 PMIt's unfortunate that you obviously don't spend much time with the higher seeds. Having Cornell as a 13 with ODU, W&M and Sienna at 11's is just silly. A quick look SOS, total record, RPI, Pomeroy rankings, Sagarin rankings, road/neutral wins; pretty much any metric/anlysis (not too mention actually seeing these teams play) makes those seeds unsuportable. Would be nice to find a nice comparison/competitor to Lunardi's bracket, but this is just one of the more obvious ways yours falls well short. Too bad.
Ryan Feldman wrote at 1/18/2010 8:12:26 PMFor automatic bids, it's not a prediction. It's just whoever is in first place in the conference. I put Akron in during the day yesterday before seeing the score of that game. Don't read much into the automatic bids, as any team with parentheses next to its name just means that whichever team won the conference tournament would be placed there.
Bulls Fan wrote at 1/18/2010 1:49:54 PMHow could you have Akron in over Buffalo? Buffalo just beat them by double digits yesterday.
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